Elizabeth Priddy on fri 11 aug 06
I agree that shredded paper is next-to-worthless as
packing
material - it is too heavy. Wadded up newspaper is
lighter
and does a better cushioning job.
I get a good laugh out of the "shredding mania" that
has taken
hold in the good ol' USA in 2006. Just what we need -
now
every household has a couple of big oil-based plastic
gadgets
that use electricity and will end up in landfills in a
few years.
Maybe 1% of your paper contains sensitive information
that
could be absconded by the identity thieves lurking
next to
your trash can. A couple of tears with your hands
(remember
them?) can render sensitive documents unreadable.
More than half of all 8 1/2 X 11" paper is printed on
one side
only. How about reusing it in your computer printer
for test
prints, draft copies, etc., rather than shredding it?
___________________________
Note what I said to shred, junk mail and local free
newspaper, things that will get disposed of one way or
another.
I am not worried about identity theft. And I use my
paper all up, so there is little to shred.
I think that your point about paper bwing heavy is the
best one, and probably enough to make shredded filler
prohibitive, unless you are using that 8 any state any
weight USPS service, which I am, seeing as how my
stuff is pretty flat and fits in their box, unless it
is huge and has to be had carried...
So for my purposes, a bag of shredded paper is an
excellent source, as I have it around for raku and for
packing, killing two storage birds with one stone.
I, personnally, hate peanuts so much that I am willing
to pay extra to not have them in my life. But that is
a personal issue with static electricity, which I hate
even more than peanuts.
To each his own.
E
Elizabeth Priddy
Beaufort, NC - USA
http://www.elizabethpriddy.com
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David Hendley on fri 11 aug 06
Kelly, I warned you that the shipping charges for boxes
would be substantial, but I didn't think it would be 101%.
Try ordering some Styrofoam peanuts sometime. It can cost
$50 to ship $25 worth of peanuts!
Boxes, particularly large ones, need to be bought locally
or the shipping will kill you. Here's what I did that worked
out well: I approached a friend/customer who runs a mid-
sized local business and asked where they buy their boxes.
They gave me the size/price list for their box company and
said that they order enough at one time that their boxes are
delivered for free. They would be happy to "piggyback"
whatever I wanted on top of their order. On delivery day,
all I had to do was drive the pick-up to their business, load
my boxes, and give them a check.
My price is about half of what box catalogs, such as
U-Line or Nashville Wraps, charge. Factoring in shipping,
my price is about one-quarter the price. For example, a
12 X 12 X 6 box is about 30 cents, delivered to my
neighborhood.
I agree that shredded paper is next-to-worthless as packing
material - it is too heavy. Wadded up newspaper is lighter
and does a better cushioning job.
I get a good laugh out of the "shredding mania" that has taken
hold in the good ol' USA in 2006. Just what we need - now
every household has a couple of big oil-based plastic gadgets
that use electricity and will end up in landfills in a few years.
Maybe 1% of your paper contains sensitive information that
could be absconded by the identity thieves lurking next to
your trash can. A couple of tears with your hands (remember
them?) can render sensitive documents unreadable.
More than half of all 8 1/2 X 11" paper is printed on one side
only. How about reusing it in your computer printer for test
prints, draft copies, etc., rather than shredding it?
Recycled packing peanuts remain the best material for
shipping pottery. They are everywhere. I have a lifetime
supply just form one friend who brings me what they receive
at his work. In fact, from time to time, I have to ask him to
cease and desist or I will be overrun with peanuts.
I certainly don't feel bad about passing on recycled peanuts to
my customers. They are free to try to re-recycle or simply
set the peanut-filled shipping box out with their trash.
Bridgeable packing peanuts are pretty sorry. When I
get them, I will use them, but mix them in with good ol'
petroleum-based peanuts so they will still do an adequate
job.
I agree with Kelly that ecology and recycling are important
to many of my customers. A recycled-but-in-good-condition
shipping box is not something to be ashamed of, but a sign
that you care about environmental issues and act on your
beliefs.
"Gift boxes" are, in my mind, flimsy froo-froo that serve
no practical purpose. If I want to spend money and use
paper resources for non-functional purposes, I think my
money is better spent on classy full-color glossy cards
and brochures about me and my pottery. Much more
thoughtful and creative than stock off-the-shelf boxes
like the ones "Knits and Kibbles" gift shop uses for their
made-in-China "hand crafted in poly-resin" figurines.
David Hendley
Maydelle, Texas
david(at)farmpots(dot)com
"EXTRUDE IT! Getting the Most From
Your Clay Extruder" available at
http://www.farmpots.com
----- Original Message -----
>
> I went last night to the site David mentioned, and picked out $60 worth
> of nice cartons --put them in my shopping cart.
>
> Then I went to check out. Shipping total? $61.00 for a $60 order. I hit
> cancel in a hurry.
>
> I have two shredders, one in the kitchen that shreds junk mail and
> homeschool papers into long strips, one by my computer that makes little
> cross cut bits. I use the crosscut ones for guinea pig/rat/mouse/rabbit
> bedding,and when used, they go into the compost or get layered in the
> lasagna-style, compost-in-place flower beds.
>
> The long shreds are for raku combustibles, or for packing pots for local
> shows. But I've found it's too darn heavy to pack with for shipping! I
> trim pots as thin as possible to shave off postage, and I have always
> used wadded newspaper between the inner and the outer box, but even that
> weighs too much. Lately I am combining it with the recycled styro from
> chunked up coolers or the packing material that comes in boxes are
> shipped to me. Those potato starch peanuts are pretty slick but if they
> get wet you've got a big mess.
>
> The problem is, reusing recycled packing peanuts just gives your
> eco-friendly end user the job of finding a place to recycle them. It's
> the ultimate hot potato.
>
> Good luck with your mermaids. After "The secret life of bees" came out,
> there was a surge in interest in beekeeping and beekeepers. Now that
> she's written "The Mermaid Chair", I suspect there will be an interest
> in mermaids, and in southern coastal towns like yours... ride the wave!
W J Seidl on sat 12 aug 06
Oh, I don't know, Elizabeth. Those cellulose (not styro!) peanuts are =
quite
tasty, are biodegradable, and melt in your mouth. The birds and my dogs
(when they can steal them) love them.
Best,
Wayne Seidl
a little butter, some onion and garlic, a light saut=E9.....
snip
I, personnally, hate peanuts so much that I am willing
to pay extra to not have them in my life. But that is
a personal issue with static electricity, which I hate
even more than peanuts.
To each his own.
E
Ken Kang on sat 12 aug 06
12x12x8 and other size boxes are free at USPS delivered to your door.
Go to www.usps.com
Aloha, Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Hendley"
To:
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 4:41 AM > My price is about half of what box
catalogs, such as
> U-Line or Nashville Wraps, charge. Factoring in shipping,
> my price is about one-quarter the price. For example, a
> 12 X 12 X 6 box is about 30 cents, delivered to my
> neighborhood.
Ron Wright on sun 13 aug 06
If you live in a medium to large city, Please shred everything. There
are people who make a living going through garbage cans.
I have stopped people with the other peoples mail piled in the back seat
of their cars.
So shred it, use it in paper clay, burn it in the kiln. Makes my day job
easier and I can spend more time making pots.
Ron Wright (Potter/Cop)
3dogspottery.com
ron@3dogspottery.com
ronald.wright@chicagopolice.org
Elizabeth Priddy wrote:
>I agree that shredded paper is next-to-worthless as
>packing
>
>Maybe 1% of your paper contains sensitive information
>that
>could be absconded by the identity thieves lurking
>next to
>your trash can. A couple of tears with your hands
>(remember
>them?) can render sensitive documents unreadable.
>
>
>
>Elizabeth Priddy
>
>Beaufort, NC - USA
>http://www.elizabethpriddy.com
>
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pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on sun 13 aug 06
Hi Elizabeth, all...
Really, what is much better than shredded paper,
is just to do what the 'Freedom of information
Act' ( yes, it is an 'Act', ) does with it's
releases: Just take a big, fat
Magic Marker, and thoroughly ink out just about
everything, or at
least everything potentially interesting, then
make bad, grey-tone, over-toned 'hot' fast copy
'Xerox's, and crumple and use those!
The customers will delight in the indicental
forays of momentary distraction when opening the
parcel, of then trying to read whatever these
documents may have said, ( in
fact, just send off and get actual FIA documents!
Heck, there are endless subjects to choose from,
and use 'them' just as they are, but with a
suitable 'crumple' of course, and it will be all
that much
easier! and interesting! ) and in some cases, the
Customer
might even enjoy that as much as the item
itself, (or even more, ) or at least they will
enjoy both...
'Shredding'...is just SO 'eighties'...
( Lol of course...)
But really, as others haver also mentioned, simple
'crumpled' Newsprint or it's likes ( blank and
unprintted of which, or bolt ends or as may be,
is to be had cheaply at any place which prints
local scene-zines or newspapers for that matter)
is far lighter and makes a better cushion than
'shredded' does...and will not settle or displace
as the infamous ( and really annoying static-cling
and other irritations of ) 'peanuts' are known to
do...
That, or just get a load of real actual 'Peanuts'
in-the-shell, and use those.
Sure, they might weigh a little more, but will
make for a fun and protracted snacking opportunity
for the Customer, and, they will appreciate it's
sublime transliterate novelty, and and be nicely
amused while admireing the cool item itself which
came packed in them...
In fact, I think I will start doing just that...
Love,
Phil
el v
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth Priddy"
> I agree that shredded paper is next-to-worthless
as
> packing
> material - it is too heavy. Wadded up newspaper
is
> lighter
> and does a better cushioning job.
>
> I get a good laugh out of the "shredding mania"
that
> has taken
> hold in the good ol' USA in 2006. Just what we
need -
> now
> every household has a couple of big oil-based
plastic
> gadgets
> that use electricity and will end up in
landfills in a
> few years.
> Maybe 1% of your paper contains sensitive
information
> that
> could be absconded by the identity thieves
lurking
> next to
> your trash can. A couple of tears with your
hands
> (remember
> them?) can render sensitive documents
unreadable.
> More than half of all 8 1/2 X 11" paper is
printed on
> one side
> only. How about reusing it in your computer
printer
> for test
> prints, draft copies, etc., rather than
shredding it?
L. P. Skeen on sun 13 aug 06
hmmm....there are restaurants which serve roasted peanuts at table =
before dinner. Wonder if we could get the emptied shells? hehheh...
L
----- Original Message -----=20
From: pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET=20
That, or just get a load of real actual 'Peanuts'
in-the-shell, and use those.
David Hendley on sun 13 aug 06
from pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET
> That, or just get a load of real actual 'Peanuts'
> in-the-shell, and use those.
> Sure, they might weigh a little more, but will
> make for a fun and protracted snacking opportunity
> for the Customer, and, they will appreciate it's
> sublime transliterate novelty, and and be nicely
> amused while admireing the cool item itself which
> came packed in them...
>
> In fact, I think I will start doing just that...
>
>
Dear Phil,
I, in fact, received a pot packed that way just last month.
I couldn't imagine what the UPS guy might be bringing
up to my porch, struggling to carry a 48 pound box.
Because of the great weight, the box was misshapen and
bulging.
Inside was a moderately large (about 14" tall) lidded jar.
The pot weighs maybe 4 pounds, and the box a couple,
so my friend paid to ship more than 40 pounds of peanuts!
Talk about a protracted snacking opportunity, the peanuts
were delicious jumbo, roasted-in-the-shell Virginia grade
A's. No guests left our house without a bag of peanuts, and
Karen's college classmates all got snacks for two weeks.
We managed to eat or give away all but a couple of pounds
before they lost their fresh crispness.
The transliterate novelty was, indeed, amusing, but I can't
imagine regularly paying $40 for a fifty pound bag of peanuts
and then $30 to ship a pot 150 miles.
David Hendley
Maydelle, Texas
david(at)farmpots(dot)com
"EXTRUDE IT! Getting the Most From
Your Clay Extruder" available at
http://www.farmpots.com
Graeme Anderson on sun 13 aug 06
I love the idea of real peanuts, Phil.
But first, make sure the recipient does not have a nut allergy.
There always has to be a party-pooper!
Cheers. Graeme.
Lee Love on sun 13 aug 06
I use bubble pack and white styrofoam paper. The sytrofoam paper is
best for protecting pots that go into signed wooden boxes.
I don't buy them, but those plastic bags filled with air are
great for filling in large spaces. I recieve them from packages
sent to me.
This morning, I am signing and stamping boxes and packing them
up to send to NCC for the American Pottery Festival. I like to send
them a few boxed chawan, guinomi and "couples yunomi." Boxed couples
yunomi are good wedding gifts.
--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan
http://potters.blogspot.com/
"Let the beauty we love be what we do." - Rumi
Kathi LeSueur on mon 14 aug 06
David Hendley wrote:
>> Dear Phil,
>
> I, in fact, received a pot packed that way just last month.
> I couldn't imagine what the UPS guy might be bringing
> up to my porch, struggling to carry a 48 pound box.
> Because of the great weight, the box was misshapen and
> bulging.
>
> Inside was a moderately large (about 14" tall) lidded jar.
> The pot weighs maybe 4 pounds, and the box a couple,
> so my friend paid to ship more than 40 pounds of peanuts!>>>>>>
David,
I hate to call this into question since I've always respected your
opinions. But, forty pounds of peanuts just didn't seem possible to me
so I went to my packing area and weighed the box that I store peanuts in
for immediate use. This box is 33" X 30" X 20". Full of peanuts it
weighed nine pounds. I can't imagine what size box it would take to hold
forty pounds of peanuts, but I'm sure that UPS would not ship it on
their truck.
I can see, however, the box costing more than you would expect. That 14"
pot would require a minimum of a 20" high shipping box. Packed with
peanuts it would probably weigh about 10 pounds. But it would be shipped
at the 30 pound rate because the box would be "oversize". That is, the
weight to mass ratio would be outside of the UPS guidelines. There could
also be an extra charge because you are "out of service", meaning that
you live in a place where UPS doesn't have lots of business. This can
even happen if a UPS truck goes past your house everyday. That is how it
is with one of my accounts. The are on the main road from Petosky to
Charlevoix, MI. The truck goes by everyday, but they are charged an "out
of service" rate.
Kathi
Kathryn on tue 15 aug 06
Hello, All,
I'm new to Clayart... have enjoyed the archives for quite some time... After
meeting folks in Florence, I felt encouraged to join... guess I'm a bit shy
at first...Anyway, I've actually got a little something to say! Amazing...
I live in an area where folks move in and out a lot...
Military/government... so I find folks that are MORE than willing to give up
their boxes... let's face it, nobody ever gets unpacked in the amount of
time the movers give you (they'll come pick up your boxes for free in like a
week's time)... not only do I offer to take away their boxes, (does that
equate me to Calgon?) but also their wrapping paper... which I smooth out
and then wrap pottery in for shows. Now... the boxes I get are NEVER the
right size... most are way too large (too deep) for what I'm shipping... but
there's a handy tool out there called a box reducer... if you ship a lot, it
might be worth it to look into it...
Then my quilt guild and all my local friends save all their air bubble bags,
peanuts, foam... whatever... for me to ship in... I'm not picky, as long as
it's free... and I guess I'm doing my part to reuse something too...
You guys probably know and do all this... if so, thanks for indulging me!
Kathryn in Baltimore
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On Behalf Of David
Hendley
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 10:41 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: more shipping and packing - and a paper shredder rant
Kelly, I warned you that the shipping charges for boxes
would be substantial, but I didn't think it would be 101%.
Try ordering some Styrofoam peanuts sometime. It can cost
$50 to ship $25 worth of peanuts!
Boxes, particularly large ones, need to be bought locally
or the shipping will kill you. Here's what I did that worked
out well: I approached a friend/customer who runs a mid-
sized local business and asked where they buy their boxes.
They gave me the size/price list for their box company and
said that they order enough at one time that their boxes are
delivered for free. They would be happy to "piggyback"
whatever I wanted on top of their order. On delivery day,
all I had to do was drive the pick-up to their business, load
my boxes, and give them a check.
My price is about half of what box catalogs, such as
U-Line or Nashville Wraps, charge. Factoring in shipping,
my price is about one-quarter the price. For example, a
12 X 12 X 6 box is about 30 cents, delivered to my
neighborhood.
I agree that shredded paper is next-to-worthless as packing
material - it is too heavy. Wadded up newspaper is lighter
and does a better cushioning job.
I get a good laugh out of the "shredding mania" that has taken
hold in the good ol' USA in 2006. Just what we need - now
every household has a couple of big oil-based plastic gadgets
that use electricity and will end up in landfills in a few years.
Maybe 1% of your paper contains sensitive information that
could be absconded by the identity thieves lurking next to
your trash can. A couple of tears with your hands (remember
them?) can render sensitive documents unreadable.
More than half of all 8 1/2 X 11" paper is printed on one side
only. How about reusing it in your computer printer for test
prints, draft copies, etc., rather than shredding it?
Recycled packing peanuts remain the best material for
shipping pottery. They are everywhere. I have a lifetime
supply just form one friend who brings me what they receive
at his work. In fact, from time to time, I have to ask him to
cease and desist or I will be overrun with peanuts.
I certainly don't feel bad about passing on recycled peanuts to
my customers. They are free to try to re-recycle or simply
set the peanut-filled shipping box out with their trash.
Bridgeable packing peanuts are pretty sorry. When I
get them, I will use them, but mix them in with good ol'
petroleum-based peanuts so they will still do an adequate
job.
I agree with Kelly that ecology and recycling are important
to many of my customers. A recycled-but-in-good-condition
shipping box is not something to be ashamed of, but a sign
that you care about environmental issues and act on your
beliefs.
"Gift boxes" are, in my mind, flimsy froo-froo that serve
no practical purpose. If I want to spend money and use
paper resources for non-functional purposes, I think my
money is better spent on classy full-color glossy cards
and brochures about me and my pottery. Much more
thoughtful and creative than stock off-the-shelf boxes
like the ones "Knits and Kibbles" gift shop uses for their
made-in-China "hand crafted in poly-resin" figurines.
David Hendley
Maydelle, Texas
david(at)farmpots(dot)com
"EXTRUDE IT! Getting the Most From
Your Clay Extruder" available at
http://www.farmpots.com
----- Original Message -----
>
> I went last night to the site David mentioned, and picked out $60 worth
> of nice cartons --put them in my shopping cart.
>
> Then I went to check out. Shipping total? $61.00 for a $60 order. I hit
> cancel in a hurry.
>
> I have two shredders, one in the kitchen that shreds junk mail and
> homeschool papers into long strips, one by my computer that makes little
> cross cut bits. I use the crosscut ones for guinea pig/rat/mouse/rabbit
> bedding,and when used, they go into the compost or get layered in the
> lasagna-style, compost-in-place flower beds.
>
> The long shreds are for raku combustibles, or for packing pots for local
> shows. But I've found it's too darn heavy to pack with for shipping! I
> trim pots as thin as possible to shave off postage, and I have always
> used wadded newspaper between the inner and the outer box, but even that
> weighs too much. Lately I am combining it with the recycled styro from
> chunked up coolers or the packing material that comes in boxes are
> shipped to me. Those potato starch peanuts are pretty slick but if they
> get wet you've got a big mess.
>
> The problem is, reusing recycled packing peanuts just gives your
> eco-friendly end user the job of finding a place to recycle them. It's
> the ultimate hot potato.
>
> Good luck with your mermaids. After "The secret life of bees" came out,
> there was a surge in interest in beekeeping and beekeepers. Now that
> she's written "The Mermaid Chair", I suspect there will be an interest
> in mermaids, and in southern coastal towns like yours... ride the wave!
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Jim Willett on tue 15 aug 06
To all regarding shipping and packing. This topic has been discussed more
than once but while it is fresh again on everyone's minds you can see how
we pack pottery at http://www.howtomakepottery.com . Our breakage rate is
non existent and folks appreciate the fact we use all recyclable
packaging.
Jim and Cindy
Out of the Fire Studio
http://www.outofthefirestudio.com
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