Lili Krakowski on wed 30 aug 06
There is something about this which reminds me of Spring and Fall Cleaning
[starting on the latter].
They come around with fearful punctuality.
So we go around on the word "artist", and its use, at least once a year.
I am totally with Fred.
And I see Elizabeth's viewpoint.
Elizabeth writes: " I need to be able to say... 'this is what I
am..." using the words available
without having to do some bizarre soft-shoe around
arcane mystic beliefs ...."
I think the word "artist" is as linked to arcane mystic beliefs when
used your way as when used as Fred, and I, would prefer. The
arcanincompoopishness of words is not really the issue.
"Let's use a sports analogy. Anyone can say they are a
football player... .even bad football players are players."
True. But I think there are Football Halls of Fame and the
"artists" get in there....Not the best analogy.
Elizabeth asks: "Why do you want to
take away a perfectly good descriptor of how I spend
my time?...My conjecture is that you have some deep insecurity
about owning a word that has reverence for you."
One could argue that giving oneself titles of any kind
is a sign of insecurity.
I sent a message about this earlier, and it did not get posted, so I re-sent
it directly to Elizabeth and Snail.
I will repeat some of what I said, but Elizabeth has heard it.
We live in a society where many traditions have been abandoned or debased.
Putting on an academic gown and a mortar board used to be the
crowning moment of college graduation. Now my great nieces and nephews,
attired in children's size academic regalia have graduation ceremonies when
they leave kindergarten. What meaning will that college graduation have?
Many things have changed in meaning and import. Take ice-cream. For me
as a child it was a treat, something that marked a special event. For
today's
children it is just another food. The trouble is that when the "special" is
made
a common event, then what do we do for celebration?
I believe in "seasons of joy, and feast days and times of celebration."
Far too much, today, we drift through unpunctuated time. Even the
small,silly
"punctuations" such as no white shoes, no straw hats before Memorial Day, or
after Labor Day, have disappeared. I find that sad and troubling. I find
it
sad and troubling that holy days such as Christmas and Easter, days of
special
meaning to many, now have become commercial "products".
I think we NEED certain words reserved for special uses. Elizabeth writes:
"You see, all I want is the words back. You can keep
the hierarchical degree structures and BS. Just stop
trying to deprive me of words."
I could argue the same thing....The word "artist" which had special meaning,
which was an honorific, which was a "title" bestowed by an awed and
admiring public, now has become something people assume for themselves.
"We" are not depriving anyone of words!
Words have been taken away from US!
Please, Elizabeth, give us another word, and you can keep "artist"
Meanwhile I call myself
Lili Krakowski.
C'est tout
Lee Love on wed 30 aug 06
Time is the test. Some things will be thought of as beautiful and others
simply as artifacts of a decadent time.
At the British Museum, I was awestruck by the Parthenon Marbles, the
Rembrandt drawings for his prints and the Ancient Mesopotamia (aka Iraq)
room. Much of what awed me in the ancient Iraq room were the cuneiform
cylinders and plaques, which were not meant to be "art" but were the most
beautiful things in the room. I was also struck by the fact that these
same kinds of objects, treasures of the earliest human societes, were
either broken or stolen from the museums and archeological sites in Iraq.
It made me think "what is civilization? Who is civilized?"
I bought a black T-shirt with an image of the Rosetta Stone on it at
the gift shop. Is the Rosetta Stone art? Is the T-shirt? I really
don't care. But I know what I like.
--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan
http://potters.blogspot.com/
"Let the beauty we love be what we do." - Rumi
Les on wed 30 aug 06
Lili -
Thanks for this!!!!!
Les Crimp in Nanoose Bay, B.C. ( Vancouver Island)
lcrimp@shaw.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lili Krakowski"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 8:15 AM
Subject: Let tme call you, Artist!
> There is something about this which reminds me of Spring and Fall Cleaning
> [starting on the latter].
> They come around with fearful punctuality.
>
> So we go around on the word "artist", and its use, at least once a year.
Elizabeth Priddy on wed 30 aug 06
Please, Elizabeth, give us another word, and you can
keep "artist"
__________________________________
That's what common speakers use adjectives for,
dearie.
Magnificent
Complex
Accomplished
Life-long
Freaky
Weird
National treasure
-in residence
Revered
Deceased
can all qualify little-a artist. I just want access
to the general term without snickering from the peanut
gallery while I am still am not qualified by the last
entry.
You tell me what I do for a living if it is something
other than art, hence my being an artist by trade.
When I designed a program for handicapped kids and
wrote a grant for it, I was designated as a "Touring
Artist in Residence". for a period of two years. Is
THAT official enough to suit Fred and his ilk? I
think not. And lo, I am still left with nothing
provided to fill the void left behind when you take
away that word, for there is little else I do on a
professional level.
Here is a non-sports analogy:
I am an accomplished cook, I worked my way through a
variety of restaurants and can do most anything a line
or prep cook needs to be able to do, and I do that
well. I am a qualified Sous-chef, but not a Chef. I
can make lovely sauces, but I am not qualified to make
an entire menu plan and run a kitchen, hence the
difference in the words used to describe one job from
another.
I would know which ad to respnd to if looking for
work.
At least in cooking, I can delineate what I am able to
do in the kitchen, because the words are meaningful.
You have rendered my skill set in the realm of dealing
with concepts and materials and converting ideas into
substantive product absolutely non-codifiable.
And that is not ok. Ball is back in your court,
darlin', cause I still will be needing some words.
Artist is what I got for now until you come up with
some other terms of endearment. I will leave Fred's
ridiculous insistence on arcana on the curb where it
belongs.
E
Elizabeth Priddy
Beaufort, NC - USA
http://www.elizabethpriddy.com
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Nancy Braches on wed 30 aug 06
I'm not as good at words and such as most here but I think you are an artist if you are creative and produce unique things that someone thinks is a beautiful piece of art. .... that makes you are artist to that person. It's what you feel inside that makes you who you are....therefore I am an artist :)
Get Creative ~
Nancy
Hilltop Pottery
Lili Krakowski wrote: There is something about this which reminds me of Spring and Fall Cleaning
[starting on the latter].
They come around with fearful punctuality.
So we go around on the word "artist", and its use, at least once a year.
I am totally with Fred.
And I see Elizabeth's viewpoint.
Elizabeth writes: " I need to be able to say... 'this is what I
am..." using the words available
without having to do some bizarre soft-shoe around
arcane mystic beliefs ...."
I think the word "artist" is as linked to arcane mystic beliefs when
used your way as when used as Fred, and I, would prefer. The
arcanincompoopishness of words is not really the issue.
"Let's use a sports analogy. Anyone can say they are a
football player... .even bad football players are players."
True. But I think there are Football Halls of Fame and the
"artists" get in there....Not the best analogy.
Elizabeth asks: "Why do you want to
take away a perfectly good descriptor of how I spend
my time?...My conjecture is that you have some deep insecurity
about owning a word that has reverence for you."
One could argue that giving oneself titles of any kind
is a sign of insecurity.
I sent a message about this earlier, and it did not get posted, so I re-sent
it directly to Elizabeth and Snail.
I will repeat some of what I said, but Elizabeth has heard it.
We live in a society where many traditions have been abandoned or debased.
Putting on an academic gown and a mortar board used to be the
crowning moment of college graduation. Now my great nieces and nephews,
attired in children's size academic regalia have graduation ceremonies when
they leave kindergarten. What meaning will that college graduation have?
Many things have changed in meaning and import. Take ice-cream. For me
as a child it was a treat, something that marked a special event. For
today's
children it is just another food. The trouble is that when the "special" is
made
a common event, then what do we do for celebration?
I believe in "seasons of joy, and feast days and times of celebration."
Far too much, today, we drift through unpunctuated time. Even the
small,silly
"punctuations" such as no white shoes, no straw hats before Memorial Day, or
after Labor Day, have disappeared. I find that sad and troubling. I find
it
sad and troubling that holy days such as Christmas and Easter, days of
special
meaning to many, now have become commercial "products".
I think we NEED certain words reserved for special uses. Elizabeth writes:
"You see, all I want is the words back. You can keep
the hierarchical degree structures and BS. Just stop
trying to deprive me of words."
I could argue the same thing....The word "artist" which had special meaning,
which was an honorific, which was a "title" bestowed by an awed and
admiring public, now has become something people assume for themselves.
"We" are not depriving anyone of words!
Words have been taken away from US!
Please, Elizabeth, give us another word, and you can keep "artist"
Meanwhile I call myself
Lili Krakowski.
C'est tout
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