earlk on mon 11 sep 06
On Mon, 2006-09-11 at 21:46 -0400, Meryl Ruth wrote:
> The public is not educated regarding paperclay. Do I display information about this relatively new medium along with my work or is there another name for paperclay that can be used so it is not misrepresented as paper mache`. I wouldn't want folks to think my teapots were created from paper mache`. Not too functional!
Meryl,
My opinion is that since the paper burns out
during the firing then the finished object is
really made out of clay, so I wouldn't confuse
people by using the term "paper clay".
Also, one could argue that since the paper
burns out that it is part of the process and
not part of the finished object. The paper is
just included in the clay as an additive to
facilitate the process.
The basic consituent of paper clay is still
clay. The same can not be said of polymer-
clay which is, in reality, plastic. I would
object to someone calling polymer-clay clay.
In fact, I object to polymer-clay being called
clay at all.
At least that's how I think about it.
earlk...
bothell, wa, usa
curtis adkins on mon 11 sep 06
Hi,
Are you making it or buying it premade...maybe just tell them the process ...ie ^5 or ^10 stoneware or porcelain some folks just don't need to no anymore than what it isa for and how much it costs!
Curtis "Monk" Adkins
Miami, OK
Meryl Ruth wrote: Hi,
I went to an opening where I had pieces of my work on display yesterday. This was the first time I was showing work I had created from paperclay. I have previously only worked in stoneware and porcelain. Anyway we overheard two women discussing one of my pieces made of paperclay. One woman said, "What is paperclay?" And the reply of the second woman was, "I think that means paper mache`."
The public is not educated regarding paperclay. Do I display information about this relatively new medium along with my work or is there another name for paperclay that can be used so it is not misrepresented as paper mache`. I wouldn't want folks to think my teapots were created from paper mache`. Not too functional!
Regards,
Meryl Ruth, Porcelain Grace
http://www.merylruth.com
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Meryl Ruth on mon 11 sep 06
Hi,=20
I went to an opening where I had pieces of my work on display yesterday. =
This was the first time I was showing work I had created from paperclay. =
I have previously only worked in stoneware and porcelain. Anyway we =
overheard two women discussing one of my pieces made of paperclay. One =
woman said, "What is paperclay?" And the reply of the second woman was, =
"I think that means paper mache`."=20
The public is not educated regarding paperclay. Do I display information =
about this relatively new medium along with my work or is there another =
name for paperclay that can be used so it is not misrepresented as paper =
mache`. I wouldn't want folks to think my teapots were created from =
paper mache`. Not too functional!=20
Regards,
Meryl Ruth, Porcelain Grace
http://www.merylruth.com
darrell calhoun on tue 12 sep 06
If the paperclay process is important you then display information explaining the differences in clay and paperclay. Otherwise just label your medium as eathenware, stoneware or whatever clay you mixed with the paper pulp. I personally love the idea of adding fibers to clay but a lot of people including clay people may not fully understand the term "paperclay".
Meryl Ruth wrote: Hi,
I went to an opening where I had pieces of my work on display yesterday. This was the first time I was showing work I had created from paperclay. I have previously only worked in stoneware and porcelain. Anyway we overheard two women discussing one of my pieces made of paperclay. One woman said, "What is paperclay?" And the reply of the second woman was, "I think that means paper mache`."
The public is not educated regarding paperclay. Do I display information about this relatively new medium along with my work or is there another name for paperclay that can be used so it is not misrepresented as paper mache`. I wouldn't want folks to think my teapots were created from paper mache`. Not too functional!
Regards,
Meryl Ruth, Porcelain Grace
http://www.merylruth.com
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claybair on tue 12 sep 06
Meryl,
I have to ask....
Did you introduce yourself?
Did you ask the women if they would like
to know what is paperclay and your process?
If so you missed a perfect opportunity to educate
those women and possibly a sale.
I'm not being hard on you but that conversation was
the perfect lead into educating the public.
It's my opinion that:
1. Your pieces are beautiful.... don't be shy!
2. At an opening people are happy when the artist
enters a conversation or introduces themselves and their work.
3. Educating people at any possible opportunity results in better
customers, more customers and customers that will educate
others about your process.
I hope you had many sales.
Gayle Bair
Bainbridge Island, WA
Tucson, AZ
http://claybair.com
Meryl Ruth wrote: Hi,
I went to an opening where I had pieces of my work on display yesterday.
This was the first time I was showing work I had created from paperclay. I
have previously only worked in stoneware and porcelain. Anyway we overheard
two women discussing one of my pieces made of paperclay. One woman said,
"What is paperclay?" And the reply of the second woman was, "I think that
means paper mache`."
The public is not educated regarding paperclay. Do I display information
about this relatively new medium along with my work or is there another name
for paperclay that can be used so it is not misrepresented as paper mache`.
I wouldn't want folks to think my teapots were created from paper mache`.
Not too functional!
Regards,
Meryl Ruth, Porcelain Grace
http://www.merylruth.com
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Randall Moody on tue 12 sep 06
I have to agree with Mr. Krueger on this one. Once the paper has burned out
it is no longer "paperclay". It is just clay. Why confuse the people? Also,
why differentiate between clay and paperclay? Is the material that important
to the piece? Would they be less inclined to buy the piece if it were just
billed as clay?
Randall
Snail Scott on tue 12 sep 06
At 09:46 PM 9/11/2006 -0400, you wrote:
>I went to an opening where I had pieces of my work on display
yesterday...One woman said, "What is paperclay?" And the reply of the
second woman was, "I think that means paper mache`."
Clay folks: we adore our materials and all their
technical nuances. Most people do not. They care
about the end result, and maybe a few broad general
terms.
We like to know that it was slab-built of a
mid-range stoneware, gas-fired in catenary-arch
downdraft kiln, with an oribe glaze and yadda,
yadda...
They don't.
Show tags that give such detailed information
are appropriate to specialty shows of that medium,
where the nuances and technical details are being
presented to a knowledgeable or interested audience.
A show at NCECA, or at a gallery of ceramics, or
some other specialist venue.
For a general show or fair, skip that part.
WE care that it's paperclay, because that tells us
something important about the MAKING process. It
tells neither us nor the lay person anything about
the final object. You said it as though it were
something the viewer would need or want to know.
WHY?
As you noted, it causes confusion, without conveying
anything they ought to know. Why did you want them
to know this about the work, anyway? Because you
think it's cool to use? That's fine, but why should
they think so? Why even mention it? It's irrelevant.
It has no effect on their use or appreciation of the
object. It could as easily been fiber-reinforced,
or have grog or another additive, but those types
of modifications haven't acquired their own catchy
name, so we don't really think of them as a 'type'.
More important would be: it this a vitrified or
unvitrified clay? It could be either. Just saying
'paperclay' really says nothing about the most
important aspect of the clay to a user: how to
handle it. This is one of the few clay properties
that many laypeople understand the implications
of, and it's still relevant to paperclay. And if
it's not functional ware, even this may be too much
information.
Paper is just an additive that goes away, and is
irrelevant to the end user. What is your clay
without the paper? Is is a stoneware? earthenware?
porcelain? Those terms are still applicable,
and more relevant to the potential buyer than
'paperclay', which could still be almost any
composition even if they knew what 'paperclay'
meant.
If you think that fact that it's paperclay would
be interesting to your potential buyers, make up a
flyer with all the fascinating details, but keep
it off the gallery tag. Keep all that other stuff
off it, too. 'Ceramic' is enough info for most
gallery tags in a general-interest venue. You
could even say, 'glazed stoneware' or some such -
a more specific description that's still within
the understanding of a general audience. Any
more information than that is either useless,
confusing, or both. If you think it still needs
saying, save it for a handout or wall statement,
where a fuller explanatory description is possible.
-Snail
Maurice Weitman on tue 12 sep 06
Howdy, all,
First of all, Meryl, your work is phenomenal. Plus. I would love to
see them in person, but from their images, I am in awe and in love.
And Ms. Snail, your words, as usual, reek of good sense.
But I have a question about using paperclay in functional ware: is it
really appropriate? I might be missing something here, and would
appreciate your help in understand this.
I love how wonderful paperclay is to work with, how strong it is, how
forgiving, how easy it is to join and repair parts.
Now I suppose that there's no real definition of paperclay in terms
of how much or what kind of "paper" is used, and therefore how much
more absorption the resulting body will experience.
Also, there may not even be consensus on what characteristics a
functional pot must have; in my mind, I include daily use, including
as vessels, able to be washed, refrigerated, and heated, with other
dinnerware and serving pieces. Others may believe functional only
means "able to hold and/or pour" liquids and foods.
And I don't remember whether or what consensus had been reached in
past clayart discussions about the contribution of absorption, etc.
to microwave issues, but it seems to me to be a big factor.
I assume that the fired paperclay body can be vitreous, perhaps
depending on the amount and type of paper used. But I've seen some
paperclay pots, allegedly fired to the same cone as the same or
similar body without paper, that at least had "issues" with their
usability as functional pots exposed to significant water.
So, by issues, I mean either because they were vessels contains
liquids by their nature, or they were soaked in water in a sink or
dishwasher, they "weeped" or absorbed too much water to be safely
(alright, comfortably) microwaved.
Now, Meryl's pots, although called functional, don't seem to fit the
definition in terms of being put in a dishwasher, sitting soaking in
a sink, or being put in a microwave. I mean, would you nuke Pepe or
anyone's Chihuahua? Come on now, be real! So for these pots, the
point may be moot.
I know there are millions of low-fired, highly absorptive pots used
daily, and that esteemed potters like Linda Blossom use paperclay for
sinks, forgodsake, but... my question remains: is it reasonable to
use paperclay in functional ware or in cases where very low
absorption (in a vitreous body) is needed?
Regards,
Maurice
At 10:18 -0500 on 9/12/06, Snail Scott wrote:
>[...] More important would be: it this a vitrified or
>unvitrified clay? It could be either. Just saying
>'paperclay' really says nothing about the most
>important aspect of the clay to a user: how to
>handle it. This is one of the few clay properties
>that many laypeople understand the implications
>of, and it's still relevant to paperclay. And if
>it's not functional ware, even this may be too much
>information.
>
>Paper is just an additive that goes away, and is
>irrelevant to the end user. [...]
Craig Clark on tue 12 sep 06
Meryl, you will run into the folks who automatically think paper
mache whenever they read paper+clay. A short description of what paper
clay is would help to inform those who would like to know. I like to
call it "magic clay" because of all the stuff that you can get away when
working with it.
It really isn't all that new though. It has been around in different
forms for a very long time. As far as the comtemporary widespread
application and use of paper clay goes, much of the credit belongs to
Rossette Gault. She is the one who did pretty extensive research back in
the early 1990's. For a brief history from a 2004 symposium on the
subject just follow the
link....http://www.grahamhay.com.au/hay2006update.html
Hope this helps
Craig Dunn CLark
619 East 11 1/2 St
Houston, Texas 77008
(713)861-2083
mudman@hal-pc.org
.curtis adkins wrote:
> Hi,
> Are you making it or buying it premade...maybe just tell them the process ...ie ^5 or ^10 stoneware or porcelain some folks just don't need to no anymore than what it isa for and how much it costs!
>
> Curtis "Monk" Adkins
> Miami, OK
> Meryl Ruth wrote: Hi,
> I went to an opening where I had pieces of my work on display yesterday. This was the first time I was showing work I had created from paperclay. I have previously only worked in stoneware and porcelain. Anyway we overheard two women discussing one of my pieces made of paperclay. One woman said, "What is paperclay?" And the reply of the second woman was, "I think that means paper mache`."
>
> The public is not educated regarding paperclay. Do I display information about this relatively new medium along with my work or is there another name for paperclay that can be used so it is not misrepresented as paper mache`. I wouldn't want folks to think my teapots were created from paper mache`. Not too functional!
>
> Regards,
> Meryl Ruth, Porcelain Grace
> http://www.merylruth.com
>
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Smith, Judy on wed 13 sep 06
I am new to ceramics and only have a slight understanding of what paper
clay is. Do you have a good recipe for making paper clay or do you know
where I can get more information about this medium?
Thanks,
Judy Smith=20
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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 6:37 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: the public's understanding of paperclay
Meryl, you will run into the folks who automatically think paper
mache whenever they read paper+clay. A short description of what paper
clay is would help to inform those who would like to know. I like to
call it "magic clay" because of all the stuff that you can get away when
working with it.
It really isn't all that new though. It has been around in different
forms for a very long time. As far as the comtemporary widespread
application and use of paper clay goes, much of the credit belongs to
Rossette Gault. She is the one who did pretty extensive research back in
the early 1990's. For a brief history from a 2004 symposium on the
subject just follow the
link....http://www.grahamhay.com.au/hay2006update.html
Hope this helps
Craig Dunn CLark
619 East 11 1/2 St
Houston, Texas 77008
(713)861-2083
mudman@hal-pc.org
.curtis adkins wrote:
> Hi,
> Are you making it or buying it premade...maybe just tell them the
process ...ie ^5 or ^10 stoneware or porcelain some folks just don't
need to no anymore than what it isa for and how much it costs!
>
> Curtis "Monk" Adkins
> Miami, OK
> Meryl Ruth wrote: Hi, I went to an opening where
> I had pieces of my work on display yesterday. This was the first time
I was showing work I had created from paperclay. I have previously only
worked in stoneware and porcelain. Anyway we overheard two women
discussing one of my pieces made of paperclay. One woman said, "What is
paperclay?" And the reply of the second woman was, "I think that means
paper mache`."
>
> The public is not educated regarding paperclay. Do I display
information about this relatively new medium along with my work or is
there another name for paperclay that can be used so it is not
misrepresented as paper mache`. I wouldn't want folks to think my
teapots were created from paper mache`. Not too functional!
>
> Regards,
> Meryl Ruth, Porcelain Grace
> http://www.merylruth.com
>
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Bob Masta on wed 13 sep 06
One reason for the public confusion over this, is that there is a
commercial product called "paperclay" that really *is* like paper mache...
crumbles after firing. It's used by "crafters" for making things like doll
heads and beads. So if the public has run into that product already,
there will naturally be some wrong assumptions. I think you would have
to go into some detail to explain the differences, if you are going to use
the term.
Best regards,
Bob Masta
potsATdaqartaDOTcom
Ron Roy on wed 13 sep 06
Hi Maurice,
I think you are right to be concerned - I have test results from clays that
have paper added - and can compare with the same clays without paper added.
In every case - even thought the paper version is the same clay - vitrified
properly - the paper clay well absorb about 3 times the water in an
absorption test.
I suppose it's because the channels left from the burned out paper fiber
are connected.
The up shot is that paper clay will probably leak if the glaze surface is
not perfect - like crazed or pinholed. I expect it will get hot in a
microwave if there is water present in the clay from washing etc.
Easy enough to test for if anyone wants to know.
RR
>I assume that the fired paperclay body can be vitreous, perhaps
>depending on the amount and type of paper used. But I've seen some
>paperclay pots, allegedly fired to the same cone as the same or
>similar body without paper, that at least had "issues" with their
>usability as functional pots exposed to significant water.
>
>So, by issues, I mean either because they were vessels contains
>liquids by their nature, or they were soaked in water in a sink or
>dishwasher, they "weeped" or absorbed too much water to be safely
>(alright, comfortably) microwaved.
Ron Roy
RR#4
15084 Little Lake Road
Brighton, Ontario
Canada
K0K 1H0
Craig Clark on wed 13 sep 06
Judy, follow the link in the post below. It will explain a great many
things about paper clay and the history thereof. The grahamhay site will
also give you links to other sources of info on the subject. For a
definitive read consult and/or purchase "Paper Clay" by Rosette
Gault.....follow this link to one of many sources for the
book........http://www.upenn.edu/pennpress/book/14102.html
Hope this helps
Craig Dunn Clark
619 East 11 1/2 St
Houston, Texas 77008
(713)861-2083
mudman@hal-pc.org
.Smith, Judy wrote:
> I am new to ceramics and only have a slight understanding of what paper
> clay is. Do you have a good recipe for making paper clay or do you know
> where I can get more information about this medium?
>
> Thanks,
> Judy Smith
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Craig Clark
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 6:37 PM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: the public's understanding of paperclay
>
> Meryl, you will run into the folks who automatically think paper
> mache whenever they read paper+clay. A short description of what paper
> clay is would help to inform those who would like to know. I like to
> call it "magic clay" because of all the stuff that you can get away when
> working with it.
> It really isn't all that new though. It has been around in different
> forms for a very long time. As far as the comtemporary widespread
> application and use of paper clay goes, much of the credit belongs to
> Rossette Gault. She is the one who did pretty extensive research back in
> the early 1990's. For a brief history from a 2004 symposium on the
> subject just follow the
> link....http://www.grahamhay.com.au/hay2006update.html
> Hope this helps
> Craig Dunn CLark
> 619 East 11 1/2 St
> Houston, Texas 77008
> (713)861-2083
> mudman@hal-pc.org
>
> .curtis adkins wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> Are you making it or buying it premade...maybe just tell them the
>>
> process ...ie ^5 or ^10 stoneware or porcelain some folks just don't
> need to no anymore than what it isa for and how much it costs!
>
>> Curtis "Monk" Adkins
>> Miami, OK
>> Meryl Ruth wrote: Hi, I went to an opening where
>>
>
>
>> I had pieces of my work on display yesterday. This was the first time
>>
> I was showing work I had created from paperclay. I have previously only
> worked in stoneware and porcelain. Anyway we overheard two women
> discussing one of my pieces made of paperclay. One woman said, "What is
> paperclay?" And the reply of the second woman was, "I think that means
> paper mache`."
>
>> The public is not educated regarding paperclay. Do I display
>>
> information about this relatively new medium along with my work or is
> there another name for paperclay that can be used so it is not
> misrepresented as paper mache`. I wouldn't want folks to think my
> teapots were created from paper mache`. Not too functional!
>
>> Regards,
>> Meryl Ruth, Porcelain Grace
>> http://www.merylruth.com
>>
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Jacqueline Miller on wed 13 sep 06
I agree that once the paper has burned out it is no longer paperclay. You
could always say, however, that in the process you used xx-claybody with
"cellulose inclusions." That might keep the paper mache interpretations at
bay.
Jackie Miller
On 9/13/06, Craig Clark wrote:
>
> Judy, follow the link in the post below. It will explain a great many
> things about paper clay and the history thereof. The grahamhay site will
> also give you links to other sources of info on the subject. For a
> definitive read consult and/or purchase "Paper Clay" by Rosette
> Gault.....follow this link to one of many sources for the
> book........http://www.upenn.edu/pennpress/book/14102.html
>
> Hope this helps
> Craig Dunn Clark
> 619 East 11 1/2 St
> Houston, Texas 77008
> (713)861-2083
> mudman@hal-pc.org
>
>
> .Smith, Judy wrote:
> > I am new to ceramics and only have a slight understanding of what paper
> > clay is. Do you have a good recipe for making paper clay or do you know
> > where I can get more information about this medium?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Judy Smith
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Craig Clark
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 6:37 PM
> > To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> > Subject: Re: the public's understanding of paperclay
> >
> > Meryl, you will run into the folks who automatically think paper
> > mache whenever they read paper+clay. A short description of what paper
> > clay is would help to inform those who would like to know. I like to
> > call it "magic clay" because of all the stuff that you can get away when
> > working with it.
> > It really isn't all that new though. It has been around in different
> > forms for a very long time. As far as the comtemporary widespread
> > application and use of paper clay goes, much of the credit belongs to
> > Rossette Gault. She is the one who did pretty extensive research back in
> > the early 1990's. For a brief history from a 2004 symposium on the
> > subject just follow the
> > link....http://www.grahamhay.com.au/hay2006update.html
> > Hope this helps
> > Craig Dunn CLark
> > 619 East 11 1/2 St
> > Houston, Texas 77008
> > (713)861-2083
> > mudman@hal-pc.org
> >
> > .curtis adkins wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >> Are you making it or buying it premade...maybe just tell them the
> >>
> > process ...ie ^5 or ^10 stoneware or porcelain some folks just don't
> > need to no anymore than what it isa for and how much it costs!
> >
> >> Curtis "Monk" Adkins
> >> Miami, OK
> >> Meryl Ruth wrote: Hi, I went to an opening where
> >>
> >
> >
> >> I had pieces of my work on display yesterday. This was the first time
> >>
> > I was showing work I had created from paperclay. I have previously only
> > worked in stoneware and porcelain. Anyway we overheard two women
> > discussing one of my pieces made of paperclay. One woman said, "What is
> > paperclay?" And the reply of the second woman was, "I think that means
> > paper mache`."
> >
> >> The public is not educated regarding paperclay. Do I display
> >>
> > information about this relatively new medium along with my work or is
> > there another name for paperclay that can be used so it is not
> > misrepresented as paper mache`. I wouldn't want folks to think my
> > teapots were created from paper mache`. Not too functional!
> >
> >> Regards,
> >> Meryl Ruth, Porcelain Grace
> >> http://www.merylruth.com
> >>
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curtis adkins on fri 15 sep 06
Hi Judy,
Try this link ....
Curtis Adkins
"Smith, Judy" wrote: I am new to ceramics and only have a slight understanding of what paper
clay is. Do you have a good recipe for making paper clay or do you know
where I can get more information about this medium?
Thanks,
Judy Smith
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From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Craig Clark
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 6:37 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: the public's understanding of paperclay
Meryl, you will run into the folks who automatically think paper
mache whenever they read paper+clay. A short description of what paper
clay is would help to inform those who would like to know. I like to
call it "magic clay" because of all the stuff that you can get away when
working with it.
It really isn't all that new though. It has been around in different
forms for a very long time. As far as the comtemporary widespread
application and use of paper clay goes, much of the credit belongs to
Rossette Gault. She is the one who did pretty extensive research back in
the early 1990's. For a brief history from a 2004 symposium on the
subject just follow the
link....http://www.grahamhay.com.au/hay2006update.html
Hope this helps
Craig Dunn CLark
619 East 11 1/2 St
Houston, Texas 77008
(713)861-2083
mudman@hal-pc.org
.curtis adkins wrote:
> Hi,
> Are you making it or buying it premade...maybe just tell them the
process ...ie ^5 or ^10 stoneware or porcelain some folks just don't
need to no anymore than what it isa for and how much it costs!
>
> Curtis "Monk" Adkins
> Miami, OK
> Meryl Ruth wrote: Hi, I went to an opening where
> I had pieces of my work on display yesterday. This was the first time
I was showing work I had created from paperclay. I have previously only
worked in stoneware and porcelain. Anyway we overheard two women
discussing one of my pieces made of paperclay. One woman said, "What is
paperclay?" And the reply of the second woman was, "I think that means
paper mache`."
>
> The public is not educated regarding paperclay. Do I display
information about this relatively new medium along with my work or is
there another name for paperclay that can be used so it is not
misrepresented as paper mache`. I wouldn't want folks to think my
teapots were created from paper mache`. Not too functional!
>
> Regards,
> Meryl Ruth, Porcelain Grace
> http://www.merylruth.com
>
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curtis adkins on sat 16 sep 06
Hi Ron,
So, If I am getting this right, a functional piece of paper clay pottery should, at the very least, have a very good disclaimer if it is to be utilitarian in nature at all? I am very interested in this because I have no climate control in my studio/shed and before I started making paper-clay with the amaco stoneware body that I am using it was very difficult to dry my pieces w/o heavy cracking....plates, bowls, or cups it didn't matter nearly everything failed! So, in my research I happened upon the mention of p'clay and thought low and behold there is my answer! Now, some 3 to 4 months later the good folks on here are telling me that functional ware has to be made w/o paper added...am I confused or am I just missing something? By the way, yes, I was using plastic and/or plastic boxes w/lids to dry slowly...no luck and as I mentioned before. Additionally, my slab, coil, and pinch building is now slowly declining due to a rotator cuff injury and what I do get built needs
to count...can you or someone else on clayart get me back on track? I'll add the link as to where I found my recipe for homemade p'clay which I follow pretty closely and the body is amaco x15...but I am switching to Flinthills buff ^5-6. It is a lot cheaper than the amaco x15 that I was buying from hobby lobby!
Curtis "Monk" Adkins link
Ron Roy wrote: Hi Maurice,
I think you are right to be concerned - I have test results from clays that
have paper added - and can compare with the same clays without paper added.
In every case - even thought the paper version is the same clay - vitrified
properly - the paper clay well absorb about 3 times the water in an
absorption test.
I suppose it's because the channels left from the burned out paper fiber
are connected.
The up shot is that paper clay will probably leak if the glaze surface is
not perfect - like crazed or pinholed. I expect it will get hot in a
microwave if there is water present in the clay from washing etc.
Easy enough to test for if anyone wants to know.
RR
>I assume that the fired paperclay body can be vitreous, perhaps
>depending on the amount and type of paper used. But I've seen some
>paperclay pots, allegedly fired to the same cone as the same or
>similar body without paper, that at least had "issues" with their
>usability as functional pots exposed to significant water.
>
>So, by issues, I mean either because they were vessels contains
>liquids by their nature, or they were soaked in water in a sink or
>dishwasher, they "weeped" or absorbed too much water to be safely
>(alright, comfortably) microwaved.
Ron Roy
RR#4
15084 Little Lake Road
Brighton, Ontario
Canada
K0K 1H0
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Ron Roy on mon 18 sep 06
Hi Curtis,
The question is - do you think functional pots should leak?
Does the paper clay you are using leak?
If the answer to both is yes then you have to find a way to stop the
paper clay from leaking or find a clay that does not leak that you can
work with.
Regards - Ron Roy.
On 16-Sep-06, at 7:43 PM, curtis adkins wrote:
> Hi Ron,
>
> So, If I am getting this right, a functional piece of paper clay
> pottery should, at the very least, have a very good disclaimer if it
> is to be utilitarian in nature at all? I am very interested in this
> because I have no climate control in my studio/shed and before I
> started making paper-clay with the amaco stoneware body that I am
> using it was very difficult to dry my pieces w/o heavy
> cracking....plates, bowls, or cups it didn't matter nearly everything
> failed! So, in my research I happened upon the mention of p'clay and
> thought low and behold there is my answer! Now, some 3 to 4 months
> later the good folks on here are telling me that functional ware has
> to be made w/o paper added...am I confused or am I just missing
> something? By the way, yes, I was using plastic and/or plastic boxes
> w/lids to dry slowly...no luck and as I mentioned before.
> Additionally, my slab, coil, and pinch building is now slowly
> declining due to a rotator cuff injury and what I do get built needs
> to count...can you or someone else on clayart get me back on track?
> I'll add the link as to where I found my recipe for homemade p'clay
> which I follow pretty closely and the body is amaco x15...but I am
> switching to Flinthills buff ^5-6. It is a lot cheaper than the amaco
> x15 that I was buying from hobby lobby!
>
> Curtis "Monk" Adkins link
>
> Ron Roy wrote: Hi Maurice,
>
> I think you are right to be concerned - I have test results from clays
> that
> have paper added - and can compare with the same clays without paper
> added.
>
> In every case - even thought the paper version is the same clay -
> vitrified
> properly - the paper clay well absorb about 3 times the water in an
> absorption test.
>
> I suppose it's because the channels left from the burned out paper
> fiber
> are connected.
>
> The up shot is that paper clay will probably leak if the glaze surface
> is
> not perfect - like crazed or pinholed. I expect it will get hot in a
> microwave if there is water present in the clay from washing etc.
>
> Easy enough to test for if anyone wants to know.
>
> RR
>
>
>> I assume that the fired paperclay body can be vitreous, perhaps
>> depending on the amount and type of paper used. But I've seen some
>> paperclay pots, allegedly fired to the same cone as the same or
>> similar body without paper, that at least had "issues" with their
>> usability as functional pots exposed to significant water.
>>
>> So, by issues, I mean either because they were vessels contains
>> liquids by their nature, or they were soaked in water in a sink or
>> dishwasher, they "weeped" or absorbed too much water to be safely
>> (alright, comfortably) microwaved.
>
> Ron Roy
> RR#4
> 15084 Little Lake Road
> Brighton, Ontario
> Canada
> K0K 1H0
>
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K0K 1H0
Craig Clark on wed 20 sep 06
Curtis, I am also climate control free in my studio. Each year as
the mercury hits the century mark during summer afternoons and evening
in the shop, and the sweat pours out of me like a flood water, I swear
I'm gonna get around to air conditioning the space. Same thing in
January when I'm shivering with my hands in water and cold mud spinning
on the wheel. For some odd reason I do not.
The reason for my sharing this with you is because I can honestly
say that I have not experienced any type of drying related cracking with
the exception of some double walled pots I made a few months back that
need to be dried really slow, as in over the course of several weeks. It
sounds as if there is some other issue besides the lack of constant
temp/humidity in your workspace that may be the source of the cracking
problems you have been experiencing, especially if you are having
similar problems regardless of whether the clay is covered with plastic
or put in plastic bins. It is difficult to say without further information.
As to the use of paper clay for food service purposes go ahead and
do a series of tests on your p-clay body. Check the strenght, absorption
rate and compatability with your glazes (to include durability and
leaching tests). Do this in a side by side comparison with a stoneware
body. If there is an appreciable difference and the p-clay is more
absorptive, then that may indeed be a reason to not use the p-clay for
food service purposes. You won't now until you test your specific body
with your glazes though.
Get Rossette Gaults book on Paper Clay. She is the
queen................Also, Ron and Johns book, "Mastering Cone 6 Glazes"
describes an excellent procedure to test glaze fit, strength and durability.
Hope this helps
Craig Dunn Clark
619 East 11 1/2 St
Houston, Texas 77008
(713)861-2083
mudman@hal-pc.org
Ron Roy wrote:
> Hi Curtis,
>
> The question is - do you think functional pots should leak?
>
> Does the paper clay you are using leak?
>
> If the answer to both is yes then you have to find a way to stop the
> paper clay from leaking or find a clay that does not leak that you can
> work with.
>
> Regards - Ron Roy.
>
>
> On 16-Sep-06, at 7:43 PM, curtis adkins wrote:
>
>> Hi Ron,
>>
>> So, If I am getting this right, a functional piece of paper clay
>> pottery should, at the very least, have a very good disclaimer if it
>> is to be utilitarian in nature at all? I am very interested in this
>> because I have no climate control in my studio/shed and before I
>> started making paper-clay with the amaco stoneware body that I am
>> using it was very difficult to dry my pieces w/o heavy
>> cracking....plates, bowls, or cups it didn't matter nearly everything
>> failed! So, in my research I happened upon the mention of p'clay and
>> thought low and behold there is my answer! Now, some 3 to 4 months
>> later the good folks on here are telling me that functional ware has
>> to be made w/o paper added...am I confused or am I just missing
>> something? By the way, yes, I was using plastic and/or plastic boxes
>> w/lids to dry slowly...no luck and as I mentioned before.
>> Additionally, my slab, coil, and pinch building is now slowly
>> declining due to a rotator cuff injury and what I do get built needs
>> to count...can you or someone else on clayart get me back on track?
>> I'll add the link as to where I found my recipe for homemade p'clay
>> which I follow pretty closely and the body is amaco x15...but I am
>> switching to Flinthills buff ^5-6. It is a lot cheaper than the amaco
>> x15 that I was buying from hobby lobby!
>>
>> Curtis "Monk" Adkins link
>>
>> Ron Roy wrote: Hi Maurice,
>>
>> I think you are right to be concerned - I have test results from clays
>> that
>> have paper added - and can compare with the same clays without paper
>> added.
>>
>> In every case - even thought the paper version is the same clay -
>> vitrified
>> properly - the paper clay well absorb about 3 times the water in an
>> absorption test.
>>
>> I suppose it's because the channels left from the burned out paper
>> fiber
>> are connected.
>>
>> The up shot is that paper clay will probably leak if the glaze surface
>> is
>> not perfect - like crazed or pinholed. I expect it will get hot in a
>> microwave if there is water present in the clay from washing etc.
>>
>> Easy enough to test for if anyone wants to know.
>>
>> RR
>>
>>
>>> I assume that the fired paperclay body can be vitreous, perhaps
>>> depending on the amount and type of paper used. But I've seen some
>>> paperclay pots, allegedly fired to the same cone as the same or
>>> similar body without paper, that at least had "issues" with their
>>> usability as functional pots exposed to significant water.
>>>
>>> So, by issues, I mean either because they were vessels contains
>>> liquids by their nature, or they were soaked in water in a sink or
>>> dishwasher, they "weeped" or absorbed too much water to be safely
>>> (alright, comfortably) microwaved.
>>
>> Ron Roy
>> RR#4
>> 15084 Little Lake Road
>> Brighton, Ontario
>> Canada
>> K0K 1H0
>>
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