Amanda Blum - Howling Zoe Productions on wed 13 sep 06
Honestly, are you guys just the MOST contentious people ever? Reading =
these
conversations are aggravating reminders of middle school.=20
Much like the army, my computers do more before 9am than yours do all =
day. I
run a design agency, and my three systems (a mac and 2 pcs) are top of =
the
line, major investments. I spend months investigating before I put =
money
into them, read reports, assess software, etc.=20
Macs are Macs and PCs are PCs. They are apples and oranges, they are =
meant
for different people, and simply put, neither is "better" and neither =
are
going anywhere. =20
Macs have lots of benefits including the invulnerability to viruses. =
Point
to consider: will you be trading items with PC users often? While your
system won't go down you will more easily pass on viruses to your =
friends
since your system won't catch them. With competent virus protection, =
viruses
are not the dark evil people make them out to be.=20
Macs don't have as much access to free shareware, you have a harder time
finding peripherals, and frankly, getting macs fixed is a lot harder. =
Your
options are Apple store (where people have actually DIED waiting for =
help)
or contracting privately, and there are far fewer mac techs than pc =
techs,
and their prices are higher. That said, most mac techs are better =
trained
and accredited. =20
While SOME PC's are made of inferior parts (Dell), some are made of good
parts, and since Macs are now made with Intel parts, frankly, they're =
made
of the SAME parts.=20
Arguing over which OS is better is just stupid. They're different, =
that=92s
all. Personally, I actually prefer Windows. Some prefer OS10. Nuff said. =
Whomever said software should be a consideration was smart, but even =
that is
iffy. Reports show that CS2 actually runs better on Windows than OS10, =
which
is shocking since Macs have always been the darlings of designers.=20
While Windows can now work via boot camp or parallels, its not solid. =
First,
boot camp is still beta, and even when released in full in the Spring, =
Apple
won't support windows. Everything is an additional install or hack. =
Want
right click to work? It=92s a hack.=20
As for OS10 on a Windows machine? Will never happen. Why? Because =
there's
linux and lindows. (not misspelled). Meaning, there are enough =
alternatives
to Microsoft (firefox, thunderbird, lindows, etc) that it satisfies =
those
who don't worship at the altar of Bill. More importantly, WHY would =
someone
buy a PC to run Mac OS when they could just buy an imac?
As for price, it depends on what sort of system you need. At my end, =
I'm
paying big bucks regardless of whether I go PC or Mac. BUT, if you don't
need much except email and office, a mac is about $2000 more computer =
than
you need. =20
Really, 90% of people using computers don't need much and will be fine
whichever way they go. This argument over Macs/PCs etc is largely =
semantics
and annoying.=20
A
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dwichman@frontiernet.net on wed 13 sep 06
Amanda,
You say-
"Honestly, are you guys just the MOST contentious people ever? Reading =
these
conversations are aggravating reminders of middle school.=20
Much like the army, my computers do more before 9am than yours do all =
day. I
run a design agency, and my three systems (a mac and 2 pcs) are top of =
the
line, major investments. I spend months investigating before I put =
money
into them, read reports, assess software, etc.=20
"
If you feel this way, why are you reading them instead of deleting
them? I work in an MIS department which uses different OS for
different systems, servers and purposes. I find it interesting to see
what peoples opinions are as relates to their different directions and
purposes. After being in IS for 15 years, I know enough to know I will
never know it all and cannot keep up with it. I only see it from my
angle and that's not going to work for everyone.... Also as someone
else said - it very much depends on your interests, how much time you
are willing tp spend and if you have a desire to learn a system even if
you know it may not be the best suited to the purpose at hand.
Opinions are one way of sharing information....
Debi Wichman
Cookeville, TN
http://www.elementterra.com
Brandon Greimann on wed 13 sep 06
Hi Amanda,
What's the right-click hack? I The "Option mouse-click" thing? I use
Microsoft USB two-button mice on my Mac's and now the Apple SuperMouse (with
those side button thingies turned off...I kept clicking them) on my Mac
Pro. And, conversely I use Apple keyboards on my PC's, but only since my
beloved circa 1992 HP PA/RISC workstation keyboard died a few months ago.
Anyhow, I'm diggin the right-click on the Mac and in
Parallels|Citrix|RDC...it's all working good so far...but I'm always open
for new hacks and ways to make things better.
I can't agree more about what is essentially MIPS per user. 99% of the
population has access to way more computer than they really need. I know I
have far more than I can keep up with.
Now, another question...since this computer thing got me to chatting on Clay
Art (hi everyone). I'm trying to get back in the groove making pots this
fall. We're going to visit Willi Singleton tomorrow at his studio so
hopefully that's a good start. For those career computer geeks out there,
what got you into clay and how do you manage to achieve both in your lives?
-- finding it a struggle right now to do work and clay concurrently. :) Or
throw me towards the archives if this has been hashed to death already.
Cheers!
b
On 9/13/06, Amanda Blum - Howling Zoe Productions
wrote:
>
> Honestly, are you guys just the MOST contentious people ever? Reading
> these
> conversations are aggravating reminders of middle school.
>
> Much like the army, my computers do more before 9am than yours do all day.
> I
> run a design agency, and my three systems (a mac and 2 pcs) are top of the
> line, major investments. I spend months investigating before I put money
> into them, read reports, assess software, etc.
>
> Macs are Macs and PCs are PCs. They are apples and oranges, they are meant
> for different people, and simply put, neither is "better" and neither are
> going anywhere.
>
> Macs have lots of benefits including the invulnerability to viruses. Point
> to consider: will you be trading items with PC users often? While your
> system won't go down you will more easily pass on viruses to your friends
> since your system won't catch them. With competent virus protection,
> viruses
> are not the dark evil people make them out to be.
>
> Macs don't have as much access to free shareware, you have a harder time
> finding peripherals, and frankly, getting macs fixed is a lot harder. Your
> options are Apple store (where people have actually DIED waiting for help)
> or contracting privately, and there are far fewer mac techs than pc techs,
> and their prices are higher. That said, most mac techs are better trained
> and accredited.
>
> While SOME PC's are made of inferior parts (Dell), some are made of good
> parts, and since Macs are now made with Intel parts, frankly, they're made
> of the SAME parts.
>
> Arguing over which OS is better is just stupid. They're different, that's
> all. Personally, I actually prefer Windows. Some prefer OS10. Nuff said.
>
> Whomever said software should be a consideration was smart, but even that
> is
> iffy. Reports show that CS2 actually runs better on Windows than OS10,
> which
> is shocking since Macs have always been the darlings of designers.
>
> While Windows can now work via boot camp or parallels, its not solid.
> First,
> boot camp is still beta, and even when released in full in the Spring,
> Apple
> won't support windows. Everything is an additional install or hack. Want
> right click to work? It's a hack.
>
> As for OS10 on a Windows machine? Will never happen. Why? Because there's
> linux and lindows. (not misspelled). Meaning, there are enough
> alternatives
> to Microsoft (firefox, thunderbird, lindows, etc) that it satisfies those
> who don't worship at the altar of Bill. More importantly, WHY would
> someone
> buy a PC to run Mac OS when they could just buy an imac?
>
> As for price, it depends on what sort of system you need. At my end, I'm
> paying big bucks regardless of whether I go PC or Mac. BUT, if you don't
> need much except email and office, a mac is about $2000 more computer than
> you need.
>
>
> Really, 90% of people using computers don't need much and will be fine
> whichever way they go. This argument over Macs/PCs etc is largely
> semantics
> and annoying.
>
> A
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Kathy Forer on thu 14 sep 06
On Sep 13, 2006, at 4:08 PM, Amanda Blum - Howling Zoe Productions
wrote:
> Macs don't have as much access to free shareware, you have a harder
> time
> finding peripherals, and frankly, getting macs fixed is a lot harder.
> Your options are Apple store (where people have actually DIED
> waiting for help)
That's quite funny.
> or contracting privately, and there are far fewer mac techs than pc
> techs, and their prices are higher. That said, most mac techs are
> better
> trained and accredited.
>
> While SOME PC's are made of inferior parts (Dell), some are made of
> good
> parts, and since Macs are now made with Intel parts, frankly, they're
> made of the SAME parts.
Not same parts at all, simply same core processors. Different buses,
different connections, cards, fans and energy management. But yes
basically the same stuff inside. Like pottery, just clay, fire and
chemicals.
Processing
Memory
Graphics and Displays
Storage
PCI cards and expansion
Communications
Peripherals and audio
Electrical and environmental requirements
Size and weight
Software
enclosure
Keyboard and Mouse
Video Adapters
Install/restore DVDs
Printed and electronic documentation
gozintas and gozoutas
> Arguing over which OS is better is just stupid. They're different,
> that=92s all. Personally, I actually prefer Windows. Some prefer
> OS10. Nuff said.
>
> Whomever said software should be a consideration was smart, but even
> that is iffy. Reports show that CS2 actually runs better on Windows
> than OS10,
> which is shocking since Macs have always been the darlings of
> designers.
Until Adobe comes out with an Intel native version of CS2, that is
unfortunately true. But an artifact of Adobe's greater concern with
expanding and acquisition (i.e. of Macromedia) than of consolidating
their own fragmented development.
> While Windows can now work via boot camp or parallels, its not solid.
> First, boot camp is still beta, and even when released in full in
> the Spring,
> Apple won't support windows. Everything is an additional install
> or hack.
> Want right click to work? It=92s a hack.=20
Windows is a hack far as I'm concerned ;-)
> As for OS10 on a Windows machine? Will never happen. Why? Because
> there's linux and lindows. (not misspelled). Meaning, there are
> enough
> alternatives to Microsoft (firefox, thunderbird, lindows, etc) that
> it satisfies
> those who don't worship at the altar of Bill. More importantly,
> WHY would
> someone buy a PC to run Mac OS when they could just buy an imac?
Indeed.
> As for price, it depends on what sort of system you need. At my end,
> I'm paying big bucks regardless of whether I go PC or Mac. BUT, if
> you don't
> need much except email and office, a mac is about $2000 more computer
> than you need.
This is just false.
http://www.macworld.com/2006/08/features/macproprice/index.php
http://www.systemshootouts.org
The main expense in a PC-Mac switch is if you have a large investment
in PC-only software and you don't wish to run parallels, boot camp or
VMWare. However, consider that an Adobe Photoshop cross upgrade is
only $149 if you get it from Adobe.
I support PCs when they're in a Mac environment and I've found that
after you get the base model up to what it needs to run comparably to
a Mac that the price evens out, at least.
> Really, 90% of people using computers don't need much and will be fine
> whichever way they go. This argument over Macs/PCs etc is largely
> semantics and annoying.
Yes, semantics, but there's a need to be precise and not
mischaracterize or make long-discredited claims.
Kathy Forer
http://www.foreverink.com
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