Frank Colson on wed 11 oct 06
Rob- When I first built my kilns and for others, too, I had to train the
local gas suppliers what to do to povide me with propane....for my new
designed "barbeque". If you start talking, high tech, like using the word
"kiln", you have just put yourself under the speculation of a battery of
rules, regulations, and laws which you will never come out from under!
It's just like the fact that I call myself a "sculptor" locally. Sculptors,
you know, carve stone, or wood, I simply melt bronze to make my sculpture.!
If I daret use the word "foundry", I would be out on my ear because such an
activity is requied to be in an industrial zoned area. And that I ain't!
I have built "barbeques" even on Miami Beach. Weird as they looked, but
they were "barbeque" forms which could go to high temperatures and melt
glazes!
By the way, you could fire your kiln on menthane gas. It is free and simple
to do. The last chapter of my book (now out of print but in library's)
provides a 2 page diagram on of bio-gas production operation! Book: Kiln
Building with Space Age Materials
Frank Colson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Hackert"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 8:38 AM
Subject: Propane in Florida
> Hi. This is addressed to any potters in Florida doing atmospheric firings
> using propane..
>
> I recently retired and moved from New Jersey to the SW coast of Florida. I
> built a 14 cuft. IFB kiln on a special pad I had the builder put in. I
> have been trying in vain to get a propane supplier to lease/sell
> me/deliver to me a tank of propane. Meeting safety concerns are not the
> issue.
>
> The latest argument is that my burners are not UL approved. Continental
> Clay has tried reasoning with one company to no success. I spoke to Ward
> Burners and was told Florida is not alone in this sudden reticence to deal
> with potters. I tried Axner, no interest there either.
>
> Anyone out there have to deal with this issue and if so any resolution? Is
> it something to do with Homeland Security?
>
> Without the propane, I have a piece of sculpture sitting in the rear of my
> home.
>
> Rob Hackert, North Port, Florida
>
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Robert Hackert on wed 11 oct 06
Hi. This is addressed to any potters in Florida doing atmospheric firings
using propane..
I recently retired and moved from New Jersey to the SW coast of Florida. I
built a 14 cuft. IFB kiln on a special pad I had the builder put in. I
have been trying in vain to get a propane supplier to lease/sell
me/deliver to me a tank of propane. Meeting safety concerns are not the
issue.
The latest argument is that my burners are not UL approved. Continental
Clay has tried reasoning with one company to no success. I spoke to Ward
Burners and was told Florida is not alone in this sudden reticence to deal
with potters. I tried Axner, no interest there either.
Anyone out there have to deal with this issue and if so any resolution? Is
it something to do with Homeland Security?
Without the propane, I have a piece of sculpture sitting in the rear of my
home.
Rob Hackert, North Port, Florida
Ingeborg on thu 12 oct 06
Rob,
Welcome to Florida land of bureaucracy gone amok.
I had the same problem trying to get set up 7 years ago. I have a 30 cu
foot car kiln. Not a factory job so no UL listing. My kiln set up is in
a commercial site and that made things even worse.
No one around here had ever seen a kiln. The propane companies referred to
it as an "oven" and called me honey. The fire inspector approved the kiln
and pipes around the kiln but not the propane tank and exterior pipes. I
called every propane outfit that would service this Island. One salesman
told me the only way he would supply a tank and fuel was if he put in all of
the lines. They were unbelievably rude and nasty. I had never dealt with
people who were in a service industry that conducted themselves in such a
fashion. It was a very frustrating time. I finally found a small
independent company and bought my tank from them. Then I had to go thru the
county validating the pipes, the regulator (the propane company already did
all of this). Then the fire inspector who approved the kiln gave me grief
on the exterior set up. I did persevere and finally got everything
operational. None of those people ended up on my Christmas list:)
I would definitely recommend you purchase your tank to avoid being held
hostage later on down the road. I was told by one company the minute you
say you are a potter, they want nothing to do with you. Something to do
with "you are more trouble since potter's don't buy enough gas."
Everything else centers around LIABILITY.
Is there a way you can get a tank set for say your pool? After it's in
place, redo your plumbing to fit your kiln. If that isn't an option,
perhaps you could buy small tanks and manifold them together. It isn't very
convenient but better than nothing. You might also try finding a small
company that is perhaps outside of North Port. My company "South Florida
Gas" located in Ft Myers has a large territory and who knows maybe they
will come to North Port. Can't hurt to call them. If you buy small tanks I
would recommend you go to say West Marine and purchase aluminum tanks which
are much lighter and won't rust away in this climate. They are expensive
but if you are going to be lugging them around you'll appreciate having
them. I know they carry the 5 gallon tanks and one size up which look like
they are maybe 10 gallon tanks.
Good luck
Ingeborg
http://thepottersworkshop.com
P.S. Rob it isn't just propane, it is a mentality down here. I just went
to purchase 50 lb bag of Calcium Chloride for our pool from a pool supply
store. He tells me they don't sell 50 lbs bags because people can't manage
50 lb bags but they will deliver them. Since I live way out there are few
people who
want to deliver and if they do it is a $50 minimum delivery charge.
I tell him I am capable of carrying 50 lbs and to put it into my
trunk but he says no way but will sell me a 25 lb bag for the same price as
50 lbs. naturally.!!! I bite my tongue so that I don't tell him to screw
himself which wouldn't be ladylike. I hope he goes out of business but I am
still
looking to buy a 50 lb bag from somewhere.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Hi. This is addressed to any potters in Florida doing atmospheric firings
> using propane..
>
> I recently retired and moved from New Jersey to the SW coast of Florida. I
> built a 14 cuft. IFB kiln on a special pad I had the builder put in. I
> have been trying in vain to get a propane supplier to lease/sell
> me/deliver to me a tank of propane. Meeting safety concerns are not the
> issue.
>
> The latest argument is that my burners are not UL approved. Continental
> Clay has tried reasoning with one company to no success. I spoke to Ward
> Burners and was told Florida is not alone in this sudden reticence to deal
> with potters. I tried Axner, no interest there either.
>
> > ______________________________________________________________________________
>
W J Seidl on thu 12 oct 06
Ingeborg:
We found a similar situation here when we converted the house to =
propane.
Because of the number of gas appliances we wanted (three and a water
heater...gods forbid!) the gas company "required" us to have a 100 pound
tank. Problem is, the City (in its infinite wisdom...don't get me =
started)
required tanks over 50 pounds be "located at least 50 feet from the =
nearest
adjacent structure." Well, when you're all living ass-by-elbow here on
50X100 lots as we are, that puts the tank about 100 feet off the ground, =
in
the center of your property. IOW, you don't get one. Just the way it =
is,
don't try to change things.
My solution was to have one company sell me an "empty" certified 100 =
pound
tank, which I put in one corner of the property so the refiller has =
access.
(I told them I was going to use it to collect rain water, but the city
insisted it be "certified" so I got a good one ). I ran the lines, =
then
called a different company, set up an account and told them to come fill =
it.
The driver that comes to fill the tank doesn't care what he puts the gas =
in
as long as it's safe, trust me. The gas company doesn't give a DAMN =
what
the city wants, and vice versa. And NONE of them care what you want, =
they
just want your money.
Use it to your advantage.
Best,
Wayne Seidl
going to see if the city will allow me an outside "oven"...raku may be =
in
the works after all.
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Ingeborg
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:24 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Propane in Florida
Rob,
Welcome to Florida land of bureaucracy gone amok.
I had the same problem trying to get set up 7 years ago. I have a 30 cu
foot car kiln. Not a factory job so no UL listing. My kiln set up is =
in
a commercial site and that made things even worse.
No one around here had ever seen a kiln. The propane companies referred =
to
it as an "oven" and called me honey.=20
SNIP
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Ingeborg on thu 12 oct 06
Wayne,
Sorry, but I had to laugh about you being required to have a tank 50 feet
from the nearest structure. On our annual Key West excursions, I would say
some of you are very lucky to have a lot that is 50 feet wide and the houses
almost touch well I exaggerate. One could reach out from ones window and
tough the neighbors house. I love to jog thru town in the early morning
when the bars are being cleaned up, all is relatively quiet and all of the
drunks are still asleep. I see a lot of propane tanks right smack up
against the house or the front yard fence. Where else are you gonna put it?
You have no land.
I have my tank now and am "Grandfathered In" another great Floridian
terminology; Grandfathered. Poor Rob in North Port is fit to be tied I am
sure. He's still dealing with all of the garbage. I keep thinking, there
are more of us (common sense people who are not part of the government
agencies) than THEM, you know the ones that rule our lives. Couldn't all
of us just gang up on all of those dumb asses and get our way? You know,
maybe beat the shit out of them until they get some common sense or
something like that. Something to think about.
Anyone that does have a tank in SW Florida or anywhere in Florida near the
water take extra care to maintain your tank or it will rust away in a very
short period of time. Keep all growies away from the tank and the minute
you see some rust (you will - it happens fast) treat the rust and then
spray it with paint. If you don't, you will be looking to replace that tank
that took you forever to get.
Good luck on getting an outside "oven" honey!!
Ingeborg
http://thepottersworkshop.com
Ingeborg:
We found a similar situation here when we converted the house to propane.
Because of the number of gas appliances we wanted (three and a water
heater...gods forbid!) the gas company "required" us to have a 100 pound
tank. Problem is, the City (in its infinite wisdom...don't get me started)
required tanks over 50 pounds be "located at least 50 feet from the nearest
adjacent structure." Well, when you're all living ass-by-elbow here on
50X100 lots as we are, that puts the tank about 100 feet off the ground, in
the center of your property. IOW, you don't get one. Just the way it is,
don't try to change things.
My solution was to have one company sell me an "empty" certified 100 pound
tank, which I put in one corner of the property so the refiller has access.
(I told them I was going to use it to collect rain water, but the city
insisted it be "certified" so I got a good one ). I ran the lines, then
called a different company, set up an account and told them to come fill it.
The driver that comes to fill the tank doesn't care what he puts the gas in
as long as it's safe, trust me. The gas company doesn't give a DAMN what
the city wants, and vice versa. And NONE of them care what you want, they
just want your money.
Use it to your advantage.
Best,
Wayne Seidl
going to see if the city will allow me an outside "oven"...raku may be in
the works after all.
liz gowen on thu 12 oct 06
I saw someone buying a good size propane tank from lowes today it was in =
the
gas fireplace isle. If you bought one would they fill it? It was about 4
feet tall.
Liz Gowen De.
Subject: Propane in Florida
builder put in. I have been trying in vain to get a propane supplier to
lease/sell me/deliver to me a tank of propane. Meeting safety concerns =
are
not the issue.
=20
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W J Seidl on fri 13 oct 06
Well, that didn't work. Outside ovens fall into the "no opening burning"
restrictions. Hmph!
I guess I would have to have to hide the barbeque, and build me a "brick"
one...capable of reaching 2400F.
Oh, screw it. It's easier to sell the house and go live somewhere sanity
still exists.
Best,
Wayne Seidl
http://www.bestkwhomeforsale.com
Good luck on getting an outside "oven" honey!!
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Tara Mooney on fri 13 oct 06
I too live in SW Florida (Sarasota) and I am also trying "deal" with
the government.
I have been trying to get a large shed in my backyard to use as a
studio.
The government will not "permit" me to do this because the exterior
finish will not "match"
my house. My house is block and the shed comes in siding or stucco.
No will see this shed but me, it is blocked from all views.
The government told me if I want the shed I will have to get my House
stuccoed or sided first!
But here is my question for you knowledgeable Floridians.
I would like to put my wheels, kick and electric, in my carport
which is open but covered to free up some space in this said
studio. I mostly do hand building / sculpture work.
Do I have to be concerned about this dreaded RUST,
or any other concern for keeping these "appliances"
technically outside.
Thanks,
Tara
robert hackert on fri 13 oct 06
Hi Tara:
Great to hear there is a potter nearby. The local govnmt. here in North Port is run by a bunch of hacks that must have become tired of retirement and decided to ruin others lives with their crazy restrictions.
I am slowly running out of options in getting propane for the kiln I built. One of the Clayarters sent a msg. that Lowes sells propane cylinders in the 100 lb. range. On their web site there they were displayed. I called their 800 #. Guess what? Not one Lowes in the state of Fla. actually sells the 100 lb. cyl's. And, UPS won't ship them because the cyl. weighs 68 lbs. unfilled, 50 lbs is their carry limit for one item.
What sort of pottery do you make, functional, sculptural? I make/made up in New Jersy b/4 the move here, high fire functional ware, wood ash glazed, shino, celadon glazing. Things don't work our I will be back to electric cone 6 which I did for years.
Good potting.
ROB HACKERT, Sea Country Potter, North Port, Fla.
Potters Council Member
From: Tara Mooney <taramooney@MAC.COM>
Reply-To: Clayart <CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG>
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Propane in Florida
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:52:21 -0400
>I too live in SW Florida (Sarasota) and I am also trying "deal" with
>the government.
>I have been trying to get a large shed in my backyard to use as a
>studio.
>The government will not "permit" me to do this because the exterior
>finish will not "match"
>my house. My house is block and the shed comes in siding or stucco.
>No will see this shed but me, it is blocked from all views.
>The government told me if I want the shed I will have to get my
>House
>stuccoed or sided first!
>But here is my question for you knowledgeable Floridians.
>I would like to put my wheels,
kick and electric, in my carport
>which is open but covered to free up some space in this said
>studio. I mostly do hand building / sculpture work.
>Do I have to be concerned about this dreaded RUST,
>or any other concern for keeping these "appliances"
>technically outside.
>Thanks,
>Tara
>
>______________________________________________________________________________
>Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>
>You may look at the archives for the list or change your
>subscription
>settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
>
>Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
>melpots@pclink.com.
Ingeborg on fri 13 oct 06
Dear Tara,
Put your equipment wherever you want. It will rust regardless of where it
is unless you have it in a tight building that is ALWAYS air-conditioned and
even then, rust will happen, just a bit slower.
Things do not last very long here. My Skutt bisque kiln which I bought 5
years ago looks like it is 20 years old. It is just the way it is. My
enviro vent is rusting away in front of my eyes and at 5years of age is
making lots of strange noises which means the motor is most likely ready to
go out (caused by rust I'm sure).
Your shed business, are you in a neighborhood that has covenants or is it
the county/city government that is giving you grief?
Ingeborg
the Potter's Workshop & Gallery
St. James City, Fl 33956
http://thepottersworkshop.com
But here is my question for you knowledgeable Floridians.
> I would like to put my wheels, kick and electric, in my carport
> which is open but covered to free up some space in this said
> studio. I mostly do hand building / sculpture work.
> Do I have to be concerned about this dreaded RUST,
> or any other concern for keeping these "appliances"
> technically outside.
> Thanks,
> Tara
>
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on fri 13 oct 06
Hi Robert,=20
Fed-ex will ship 125 pounds, if memory serve, ( or maybe more than that =
even, ) for their 'Ground' rate, which is the cheapest rate anyway, but =
it must bo to an actual Commercial address.
UPS is no good for any but small light things.
You could also try the Want-ads and or cruising older =
industrial-commercial areas or Junk Yards or Bus-Barns or other possible =
sources, for large propane Jugs...sometimes they will need a up-dated =
hydro-test, or whatever they do to periodically pressure test and =
date-stamp them...
Even if you had to gang up a bunch of smaller sized Jugs, at least you =
could get by, and do your fireing.
Too, Tanks from propane or LPG powered Vehicles, Trucks or Busses =
especially, turn up now and then and no reason an 80 Gallon one of those =
would not do nicely. You could even keep it on a small Trailer for =
schlepping it to be re-filled now and then...park your little Trailer =
near enough to your kiln to run a hose.
Good luck..!
Phil
Las Vegas
----- Original Message -----=20
From: robert hackert=20
Hi Tara:
Great to hear there is a potter nearby. The local govnmt. here in =
North Port is run by a bunch of hacks that must have become tired of =
retirement and decided to ruin others lives with their crazy =
restrictions.=20
I am slowly running out of options in getting propane for the kiln I =
built. One of the Clayarters sent a msg. that Lowes sells propane =
cylinders in the 100 lb. range. On their web site there they were =
displayed. I called their 800 #. Guess what? Not one Lowes in the state =
of Fla. actually sells the 100 lb. cyl's. And, UPS won't ship them =
because the cyl. weighs 68 lbs. unfilled, 50 lbs is their carry limit =
for one item.
What sort of pottery do you make, functional, sculptural? I make/made =
up in New Jersy b/4 the move here, high fire functional ware, wood ash =
glazed, shino, celadon glazing. Things don't work our I will be back to =
electric cone 6 which I did for years.
Good potting.
ROB HACKERT, Sea Country Potter, North Port, Fla.
W J Seidl on fri 13 oct 06
Tara:
I never did worry. In the years I had my wheels (Lockerbie and Brent)
outside, under the carport, I simply bought and used one of those blue =
tarps
some of us now have on our roofs . If there was a heavy rain or a =
'cane
coming, I bungee- corded the tarp to the wheel with lots of straps, and
rinsed it down after the storm passed. I never had a wind (up to 135mph)
take the wheel, so I no longer worry. It will be there, it will be
protected.
Just accept that like most everything made of metal down here, it will
eventually rust.
Go to your nearest hardware store of any variety, find a spray can paint
color you prefer. You'll end up buying lots of it. Heck, my
refrigerator started rusting _in my kitchen_ after three years (that's
pretty much normal down this far unless you run the AC 24/7.) It's =
going to
happen.
Best,
Wayne Seidl
Key West FL
http://www.bestkwhomeforsale.com
I would like to put my wheels, kick and electric, in my carport
which is open but covered to free up some space in this said
studio. I mostly do hand building / sculpture work.
Do I have to be concerned about this dreaded RUST,
or any other concern for keeping these "appliances"
technically outside.
Thanks,
Tara
=20
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Patrick Cross on fri 13 oct 06
I think FedEx sets their limit at 70 pounds if that helps...Or what about
DHL?
Patrick
On 10/13/06, robert hackert wrote:
>
> Hi Tara:
>
> Great to hear there is a potter nearby. The local govnmt. here in North
> Port is run by a bunch of hacks that must have become tired of retirement
> and decided to ruin others lives with their crazy restrictions.
>
> I am slowly running out of options in getting propane for the kiln I
> built. One of the Clayarters sent a msg. that Lowes sells propane cylinders
> in the 100 lb. range. On their web site there they were displayed. I called
> their 800 #. Guess what? Not one Lowes in the state of Fla. actually sells
> the 100 lb. cyl's. And, UPS won't ship them because the cyl. weighs 68 lbs.
> unfilled, 50 lbs is their carry limit for one item.
>
> What sort of pottery do you make, functional, sculptural? I make/made up
> in New Jersy b/4 the move here, high fire functional ware, wood ash glazed,
> shino, celadon glazing. Things don't work our I will be back to electric
> cone 6 which I did for years.
>
> Good potting.
>
> ROB HACKERT, Sea Country Potter, North Port, Fla.
>
> Potters Council Member
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: *Tara Mooney *
> Reply-To: *Clayart *
> To: *CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG*
> Subject: *Re: Propane in Florida*
> Date: *Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:52:21 -0400*
> >I too live in SW Florida (Sarasota) and I am also trying "deal" with
> >the government.
> >I have been trying to get a large shed in my backyard to use as a
> >studio.
> >The government will not "permit" me to do this because the exterior
> >finish will not "match"
> >my house. My house is block and the shed comes in siding or stucco.
> >No will see this shed but me, it is blocked from all views.
> >The government told me if I want the shed I will have to get my
> >House
> >stuccoed or sided first!
> >But here is my question for you knowledgeable Floridians.
> >I would like to put my wheels, kick and electric, in my carport
> >which is open but covered to free up some space in this said
> >studio. I mostly do hand building / sculpture work.
> >Do I have to be concerned about this dreaded RUST,
> >or any other concern for keeping these "appliances"
> >technically outside.
> >Thanks,
> >Tara
> >
>
> >______________________________________________________________________________
> >Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
> >
> >You may look at the archives for the list or change your
> >subscription
> >settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
> >
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> >melpots@pclink.com.
>
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Marcia Selsor on sat 14 oct 06
I used four one hundred gallon tanks in tandem for high firing in
upstate NY. in 1970. I think Marc Ward could design a system of
burners that would draw from all the tanks equally. That is what I
use on my Raku system.
Marcia Selsor
http://marciaselsor.com
On Oct 13, 2006, at 2:26 PM, pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET wrote:
> Hi Robert,
>
>
>
> Fed-ex will ship 125 pounds, if memory serve, ( or maybe more than
> that even, ) for their 'Ground' rate, which is the cheapest rate
> anyway, but it must bo to an actual Commercial address.
>
>
> UPS is no good for any but small light things.
>
>
> You could also try the Want-ads and or cruising older industrial-
> commercial areas or Junk Yards or Bus-Barns or other possible
> sources, for large propane Jugs...sometimes they will need a up-
> dated hydro-test, or whatever they do to periodically pressure test
> and date-stamp them...
>
> Even if you had to gang up a bunch of smaller sized Jugs, at least
> you could get by, and do your fireing.
>
> Too, Tanks from propane or LPG powered Vehicles, Trucks or Busses
> especially, turn up now and then and no reason an 80 Gallon one of
> those would not do nicely. You could even keep it on a small
> Trailer for schlepping it to be re-filled now and then...park your
> little Trailer near enough to your kiln to run a hose.
>
>
> Good luck..!
>
>
> Phil
> Las Vegas
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: robert hackert
>
>
>
> Hi Tara:
>
> Great to hear there is a potter nearby. The local govnmt. here in
> North Port is run by a bunch of hacks that must have become tired
> of retirement and decided to ruin others lives with their crazy
> restrictions.
>
> I am slowly running out of options in getting propane for the
> kiln I built. One of the Clayarters sent a msg. that Lowes sells
> propane cylinders in the 100 lb. range. On their web site there
> they were displayed. I called their 800 #. Guess what? Not one
> Lowes in the state of Fla. actually sells the 100 lb. cyl's. And,
> UPS won't ship them because the cyl. weighs 68 lbs. unfilled, 50
> lbs is their carry limit for one item.
>
> What sort of pottery do you make, functional, sculptural? I make/
> made up in New Jersy b/4 the move here, high fire functional ware,
> wood ash glazed, shino, celadon glazing. Things don't work our I
> will be back to electric cone 6 which I did for years.
>
> Good potting.
>
> ROB HACKERT, Sea Country Potter, North Port, Fla.
> pots@pclink.com.
>
Marcia Selsor
http://marciaselsor.com
Snail Scott on sat 14 oct 06
On Oct 13, 2006, at 2:26 PM, pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET wrote:
> Fed-ex will ship 125 pounds, if memory serve...UPS is no good for any
> but small light things...
>
I'm no fan of UPS, but they will ship almost anything
by freight. It's more expensive than regular UPS,
but it will go. I just shipped a couple of 140-pound
crates to New Jersey by UPS. There's gotta be a
way to get tanks locally, though.
(For a show at Grounds for Sculpture. You can see
it in the current issue of Sculpture magazine, and
on the website. No clay involved, though.)
-Snail
Donna Kat on sun 15 oct 06
Try emailing this company. You should have propane in your area one way
or another.
http://www.amerigas.com/about_partners.html
Donna
P.S. your message was not readable for me - I could just get from it that
you wanted propane. If you are posting via outlook or outlook express,
you might change your email settings to plain text before you send.
Tom Sawyer on mon 16 oct 06
Something I haven't seen mentioned in this thread is the idea of a
combination gas/electric kiln. I have a large propane tank & I guess I must
be grandfathered but I have fired my kiln with electric to about 1400-1500 F
and then turn the gas on low as you only need enough to reduce. I keep the
electric on and use it for the major heat source. It seems to me that with
this technique you could get by with a small propane tank as used for
barbeques and avoid the regulators.
Tom Sawyer
Cindy Gatto on tue 17 oct 06
Tom,
Mel designed the kiln you are speaking of it's a hybrid and yes it works and
yes you hit the nail right on the head. We use a small propane tank Mark has
two linked together or something and yes it circumvents a lot of
restrictions. I can do ^10 reduction in NYC without the hassles I don't have a gas kiln I
have a Hybrid kiln
Cindy Gatto & Mark Petrin
The Mudpit
228 Manhattan Ave
Brooklyn, NY 11206
718-218-9424
_www.mudpitnyc.com_ (http://www.mudpitnyc.com/)
mudpitnyc@aol.com
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