primalmommy on fri 20 oct 06
See? I kept the subject line! Old dog, new trick! See?
Phil, thanks for your ideas... if I brought the pugmill in to make it a
coffee table, Jeff would use it to grind venison, Connor would paint it
to look like a rainbow trout, Molly would let her mouse crawl in it and
Tyler would offer to pug my clay for a small hourly fee.
I can easily figure out how to make my pug-sessions coincide with firing
the nearby (vented) kilns. In fact, saturday afternoons would be great
because Jeff would have some heat for working on the lathe... it's his
version of the wheel only my failed bowls just sigh and lie down, they
don't go flying past my head at high speed...
Steve, the archives were only down while clayart was beign serviced. All
better now ;0)
Up early tomorrow to head for the lake and help my folks rake, and drain
cottage water pipes, pull in the dock, haul up the rowboat and otherwise
pound the last nail in the coffin of summer.. time to get some pumpkins
and some apples before the real freeze comes. The basil is done for but
the Kale is just right....
Weekends are for unwinding... Thanks, Stephani, for the cheetah quote,
it's my blog now and soon will be painted on my studio wall. Or maybe
the kitchen. I need it in both places.
yours
Kelly in Ohio
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primalmommy on fri 20 oct 06
Guys, I am determined not to shut down my old pugmill for the winter,
but it's in an unheated space and will soon freeze. It's too big to live
in my studio. It's near my two kilns but they don't fire as often as
they used to, because I'm doing most of my work at school now.
I had thought of cruising resale shops for an old electric blaket, but
have had no luck. I remember a clayarter once mentioned some kind of
heat source (car blanket?) available at harbor freight -- anybody have a
better memory than mine? The archives are refusing to let me in unless I
download something. ;0\
What if I just wrapped it in that plug-in tape that keeps pipes from
freezing?
As promised, I'm keeping off topic blather to a minimum... to whom it
may concern, I just made a blog entry about school/home life and pix of
the timeline on my hallway wall with ancient pots on it.. it's at
http://primalmommy.com/blog.html
Yours
Kelly in Ohio
http://www.primalpotter.com (or primalmommy.com, same thing.)
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Steve Slatin on fri 20 oct 06
Primal --
I'd suggest heat tape for this problem. There's a website at
http://www.doityourself.com/icat/heattape
describing how to use it and all, but it's pretty easy based on
the instructions on the packaging. I had pipe-freezing problems
in an old house in Harpers Ferry and used this stuff for when
I was out of town -- it's very low cost in application and in
energy use, and not as clumsy in application as an electric
blanket or the like.
Everybody else --
If Primal M. can't get into the archives, can't we agree not
to suppose that ANYONE can get information readily from
the archives? I mean, it sounds reasonble to me ... and it
spares us all from yet another exciting round of whack-the-
newbie.
-- Steve Slatin
primalmommy wrote:
Guys, I am determined not to shut down my old pugmill for the winter,
but it's in an unheated space and will soon freeze. It's too big to live
in my studio. It's near my two kilns but they don't fire as often as
they used to, because I'm doing most of my work at school now.
I had thought of cruising resale shops for an old electric blaket, but
have had no luck. I remember a clayarter once mentioned some kind of
heat source (car blanket?) available at harbor freight -- anybody have a
better memory than mine? The archives are refusing to let me in unless I
download something. ;0\
Steve Slatin --
They grew and grew up the old church wall
Till they could growe no higher
They lapped and tyed in a true love knot
The rose wrapped ‘round the briar”
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Steve Slatin on sat 21 oct 06
Lee --
You are indeed well-known for liking to post abusive
(and factually incorrect) posts. Because you are
'damaged goods' -- the weak, frightened, unstable
result of an abusive upbringing -- I (and others on
this list) have been trying not to directly oppose you -- to
provide you with the positive and non-confrontational
forum you so desperately need to develop as a human
being, even while you deny it to others.*
Of course, in this case, you failed to "RTFM."
I didn't say that I couldn't access the archives -- I
merely noted that not even a well-experienced
poster, one of our premier voices, sometimes could
not. And (I believed reasonably) I suggested that
we could all stop the abuse of newbies.**
Now as I note above, we don't expect you to do so.
We know you can't control your vicious impulses;
you've shown that repeatedly.
Personally, I have no problems with any of my computers
(there are currently 5 in my house) and all run just fine. I
do periodic maintenance, and I don't ask -- or expect
-- anyone to spoon feed me. All of my computers
do their updates on automated schedules at night,
while the humans are sleeping, so maybe it's easier
for me than for people who sit next to their computers
while the updates are done.
And as for asking questions previously asked, if the
forums hold all of the wisdom that there will ever be,
then Mel should close the list and refer everyone to
the archives. Doesn't sound resonable to you? Me
either -- much of what's in the archives is wrong, and
there are new discoveries almost daily.
I continue to hope for you -- that you may develop
a greater wisdom, and even a little human compassion
(Karuna to Buddhists, I believe the Zen work is Jihi?);
the lack of which you display regularly here. I hope that
the frightened, abused, beaten boy who still resides
within you may mature into a patient, thoughtful, kind
adult. Then you will be able to show compassion to
others instead of the abuse for which you have such a
well-deserved reputation.
As for now, you're still operating at the level of
the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth." You're being
factually incorrect, postulating untruths, and making
inaccurate conclusions all in the effort to hurt other
people. It's cheap, shabby behavior and one would
expect that anyone who did that sort of thing regularly
would just go off and start his own list, which he
could control in his own petulant and abusive way ...
oh, gee, didn't you already do that?***
I wouldn't expect you to apologize for the error in
your abusive message, below. You hardly ever
recognize openly when you make a mistake ...
not that I can condemn that too much, you're
just very like the American President, who shares
many personality traits with you.****
-- Steve Slatin
*Like parents of a frustrated 2-year old, we're letting
you hit us with your tiny, ineffectual fists because
we, as the adults, are supposed to take abuse. We
don't strike back in anger, because you, the child, are
not sufficiently developed to withstand such an attack.
**This is one of your nastiest habits, and while I do
feel sorry for you when you do this, I feel more for
the newbies, who receive your unwarranted,
unreasonable, and wholly unpredictable wrath.
***Yes
****On the internet, a dog may be identified from
his barking.
Lee Love wrote:
On 10/21/06, Steve Slatin wrote:
> and it
> spares us all from yet another exciting round of whack-the-
> newbie.
I have always prefered to wack whining "oldbies" who should know better.
If your computer is the problem, don't expect everyone else
to spoon feed you. Just download the update Buck-O! ;^)
Spenting the whole day installing updates after putting XP
on the Thinkpad with a new hard drive. Can't complain. It is just
"life."
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Steve Slatin on sat 21 oct 06
Lee --
You replied to my one message twice. Issues here?
Sounds like it.
Also, you're ignoring how this started. I posted on
a topic that had nothing to do with you. My post
suggested tolerance of others. YOU attacked
ME -- basing your attack on a complete misreading
of my message, because you are disposed towards
vicious attacks on others (perhaps especially towards
me) and take any opportunity to vent your spleen
(even when doing so makes you look like a fool).
Also, you still didn't respond to the primary point* --
your attack was based on the presumption that
*I* couldn't get something from the archives. In
fact, I've never had a bit of trouble with the archives,
(except that much of what's in them is irrelevant or
factually incorrect).
In summation, YOU attacked ME in response to
my plea for tolerance. The irony is amusing, but
your behavior is just plain sad. I continue to hope
that something, somehow, will get through to
you, and you'll mature beyond your past.
For the time being, though, you can cut the
phony claim to tolerance ("Please take
it out on me, I don't mind.") YOU started the
fight, YOU opened with an attack, YOU began
the rudeness. That sort of thing doesn't fool
anyone who DOES read the messages.
-- Steve Slatin
*This is a long-standing issue with your abusive
behavior.
Lee Love wrote:
On 10/22/06, Steve Slatin wrote:
> And as for asking questions previously asked, if the
> forums hold all of the wisdom that there will ever be,
> then Mel should close the list and refer everyone to
> the archives. Doesn't sound resonable to you? Me
> either -- much of what's in the archives is wrong, and
> there are new discoveries almost daily.
Steve, sounds like you are having a bad day. Please take
it out on me, I don't mind.
Really, the archives are just a tool. They can be
used skillfully to share information with new arrivals. Usually,
how I use them is to search for the material previously discussed and
then provide the link.
Steve Slatin --
They grew and grew up the old church wall
Till they could growe no higher
They lapped and tyed in a true love knot
The rose wrapped ‘round the briar”
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Lee Love on sun 22 oct 06
On 10/21/06, Steve Slatin wrote:
> and it
> spares us all from yet another exciting round of whack-the-
> newbie.
I have always prefered to wack whining "oldbies" who should know better.
If your computer is the problem, don't expect everyone else
to spoon feed you. Just download the update Buck-O! ;^)
Spenting the whole day installing updates after putting XP
on the Thinkpad with a new hard drive. Can't complain. It is just
"life."
--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan
http://potters.blogspot.com/
"Let the beauty we love be what we do." - Rumi
"When we all do better. We ALL do better." -Paul Wellstone
Lee Love on sun 22 oct 06
On 10/22/06, Steve Slatin wrote:
> And as for asking questions previously asked, if the
> forums hold all of the wisdom that there will ever be,
> then Mel should close the list and refer everyone to
> the archives. Doesn't sound resonable to you? Me
> either -- much of what's in the archives is wrong, and
> there are new discoveries almost daily.
Steve, sounds like you are having a bad day. Please take
it out on me, I don't mind.
Really, the archives are just a tool. They can be
used skillfully to share information with new arrivals. Usually,
how I use them is to search for the material previously discussed and
then provide the link.
The other really handy tool is Google, if you know how to
search, to winnow out the useless data. It has been a life saver
for me, living in Japan, with no access to a good University library.
--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan
http://potters.blogspot.com/
"Let the beauty we love be what we do." - Rumi
"When we all do better. We ALL do better." -Paul Wellstone
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