Gary Harvey on sun 29 oct 06
Clear DayI was thinking about concreting my driveway and decorating it =
with tiles. Someone told me that the tiles couldn't take the weight of =
an automobile. Anyone know for sure?=20
Gary Harvey, Palestine TX
Marcia Selsor on sun 29 oct 06
I would think it depends on the tile. Saltillo tiles can be soft and
break. A porcelain tile could break if on an uneven surface.
I think the thicker paver bricks are better. You could glaze some of
those for added decoration. Just figure out their temperature range
first.
Marcia Selsor
http://marciaselsor.com
now in Brownsville, TX
On Oct 29, 2006, at 8:08 AM, Gary Harvey wrote:
> Clear DayI was thinking about concreting my driveway and decorating
> it with tiles. Someone told me that the tiles couldn't take the
> weight of an automobile. Anyone know for sure?
> Gary Harvey, Palestine TX
>
dwichman@frontiernet.net on sun 29 oct 06
My dayjob is at Crossville, Inc., a manufacturer of porcelain tile.
We have made porcelain tile to a certain co-efficient of friction for
automobile manufacturer's to use as the drive test surface for their
cars. This would suggest that some tile/clays would definitely take
the weight. From what I have heard from the tile installation/tech
department, I think a lot would depend on the underlayment.
I would be happy to get more info about what the underlayment needs to
be from the tile techs if you'd like.
Debi Wichman
Cookeville, TN
http:/www.elementterra.com
WJ Seidl on sun 29 oct 06
Gary:
Driveways here in some homes are extensively tiled. The tiles used are
standard flat floor tiles, usually broken up and installed "mosaic style"
but I've seen full tile installations here as well. It can be gorgeous when
done right.
A tile is only as strong as the backing behind it. If your tile is fully
backed, meaning the adhesive you use is fully covering the back of the tile
and there are no gaps or air pockets, tile will hold up reasonably well to
auto weight, even thin (1/4 inch) tiles. However, a tile surface is usually
much more slick than concrete or asphalt. Beware pulling into the driveway
too quickly and trying to stop. Getting skid marks out of the grout is not
much fun, and repairing the wall of the house when you hit it no fun either.
Hummers (H1s and H2s) seem to rest comfortably on these tiled driveways with
no problem.
Saltillo (low fire earthenware, AKA "Mexican") tiles do not hold up as well
as higher fired tiles, such as standard whiteware or porcelain. I suspect,
though, that the glaze on these tiles is a much more important aspect of the
longevity of the surface than the tile composition itself.
An old (no longer PC) joke springs to mind: "How can you tell which
housewife in your neighborhood is bored? She's the one out waxing the
driveway." Remember that your driveway is going to need an occasional
cleaning if you tile it, to keep it looking good. Are you ready for more
work?
Best,
Wayne Seidl
Key West FL
> I was thinking about concreting my driveway and decorating
> it with tiles. Someone told me that the tiles couldn't take the
> weight of an automobile. Anyone know for sure?
> Gary Harvey, Palestine TX
>
pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on sun 29 oct 06
Hi Gary ,
I would imagine that
if the Tiles were set in actual Mortar, in the old
fashioned way... rather than on
an elastic goop, they would bear the weight of
pnuematic Tired Automobiles of Trucks just fine...
They may need to be sealed well in their
grout lines against moisture getting in if you are
in an area where frost or freezing can occur.
Phil
elve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Harvey"
Clear DayI was thinking about concreting my
driveway and decorating it with tiles. Someone
told me that the tiles couldn't take the weight of
an automobile. Anyone know for sure?
Gary Harvey, Palestine TX
iglasgo on sun 29 oct 06
The right setting bed is the most crucial factor in the strength of a
tile installation. The strongest porcelain tile will crumble under the
weight of a car, or a saltillo can be used in a driveway... all
depending on the substrate. If your substrate is solid concrete you
are headed in the right direction. Crossville can probably give you
better advice on a mortar & grout than I can.
Another consideration is the weatherability of the tile you are using.
Will it stand up to freeze/thaw stress? Is it going to be subjected to
standing water? Does it have fussy corners that will chip?
-Ivy G.
--- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, "dwichman@..." wrote:
>
> My dayjob is at Crossville, Inc., a manufacturer of porcelain tile.
> We have made porcelain tile to a certain co-efficient of friction for
> automobile manufacturer's to use as the drive test surface for their
> cars. This would suggest that some tile/clays would definitely take
> the weight. From what I have heard from the tile installation/tech
> department, I think a lot would depend on the underlayment.
>
> I would be happy to get more info about what the underlayment needs to
> be from the tile techs if you'd like.
>
> Debi Wichman
> Cookeville, TN
> http:/www.elementterra.com
>
>
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Megan Mason on sun 29 oct 06
I suggest you check with Tile Institute of America for such information as
I believe I had read that they had rather specific standards especially for
floor tile .
Meg
Janine Roubik on mon 30 oct 06
Hey all,
I don't know if this might help or not, but when I worked at Home Creepo, we were instructed to tell people to "double-dig" any areas that a car/truck would be on. The standard for patio bricks would be dug out to 1 foot, paver base filling in 6 inches and then sand for the remaining 6 inches. If a vehicle would be on the pavers an extra materials would be needed to absorb the weight.
So perhaps if the tiles were mounted on pavers which were double dug under it might work..??? I'd think, based on the info we were given* that even if tiles (being so thin) were dug under they would either crack or shift way too much in the base.
Janine
* A pamphlet with about two poorly written paragraphs on it and the rest of the spaces filled in with pictures of "happy" workers in their aprons.
Marcia Selsor wrote:
I would think it depends on the tile. Saltillo tiles can be soft and
break. A porcelain tile could break if on an uneven surface.
I think the thicker paver bricks are better. You could glaze some of
those for added decoration. Just figure out their temperature range
first.
Marcia Selsor
http://marciaselsor.com
now in Brownsville, TX
On Oct 29, 2006, at 8:08 AM, Gary Harvey wrote:
> Clear DayI was thinking about concreting my driveway and decorating
> it with tiles. Someone told me that the tiles couldn't take the
> weight of an automobile. Anyone know for sure?
> Gary Harvey, Palestine TX
>
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Snail Scott on mon 30 oct 06
At 03:58 PM 10/29/2006 -0500, Gary H wrote:
>> I was thinking about concreting my driveway and decorating
>> it with tiles. Someone told me that the tiles couldn't take the
>> weight of an automobile. Anyone know for sure?
Cars actually distribute their weight
pretty well. Rubber tires are a good
contact surface - point loads or rigid
supports would be worse. I would go
with an unglazed surface for traction.
Smaller tiles will crack less than big
ones, and will depend less on a rigid
substrate. On concrete, you can get
away with almost any reasonable size.
If you want a color pattern or design,
try colored clay or deep inlay, to keep
looking good even after surface abrasion.
Don't use white grout.
-Snail
Sheryl McMonigal on wed 1 nov 06
tiles work great and wj is right abot being slick. when we bought our house
11 yrs ago we noticed that the french doors to the office in the driveway
was not always french but a sliding glass door. yep you guessed it the
previos owners drove through the windows.
sheryl
----- Original Message -----
From: "WJ Seidl"
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: How much weight can a tile take?
> Gary:
> Driveways here in some homes are extensively tiled. The tiles used are
> standard flat floor tiles, usually broken up and installed "mosaic style"
> but I've seen full tile installations here as well. It can be gorgeous
when
> done right.
>
> A tile is only as strong as the backing behind it. If your tile is fully
> backed, meaning the adhesive you use is fully covering the back of the
tile
> and there are no gaps or air pockets, tile will hold up reasonably well to
> auto weight, even thin (1/4 inch) tiles. However, a tile surface is
usually
> much more slick than concrete or asphalt. Beware pulling into the
driveway
> too quickly and trying to stop. Getting skid marks out of the grout is not
> much fun, and repairing the wall of the house when you hit it no fun
either.
> Hummers (H1s and H2s) seem to rest comfortably on these tiled driveways
with
> no problem.
>
> Saltillo (low fire earthenware, AKA "Mexican") tiles do not hold up as
well
> as higher fired tiles, such as standard whiteware or porcelain. I
suspect,
> though, that the glaze on these tiles is a much more important aspect of
the
> longevity of the surface than the tile composition itself.
>
> An old (no longer PC) joke springs to mind: "How can you tell which
> housewife in your neighborhood is bored? She's the one out waxing the
> driveway." Remember that your driveway is going to need an occasional
> cleaning if you tile it, to keep it looking good. Are you ready for more
> work?
>
> Best,
> Wayne Seidl
> Key West FL
>
>
> > I was thinking about concreting my driveway and decorating
> > it with tiles. Someone told me that the tiles couldn't take the
> > weight of an automobile. Anyone know for sure?
> > Gary Harvey, Palestine TX
> >
>
>
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