W J Seidl on mon 13 nov 06
Lary:
I have one of those. If you are going to use it with water, coat the inside
with a good grade epoxy paint or it will rust all to heck in no time.
And make a filter out of a green scrubbing pad for the bottom of the pump,
or it will clog in no time as well. Do NOT allow the jet from the pump to
hit greenware, or it's history...too powerful a stream.
Nice "out-of-the-box" thinking, though!
Best,
Wayne Seidl
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From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Larry W
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:29 PM
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Subject: Self contained studio sink
Has anyone ever tried using an automotive parts washer for a clean up
sink? They are self contained with a circulating pump and made to wash
grease and dirt off of car parts. They use a solvent but I don't see why
you couldn't fill it with water and use it for cleaning up clay. I saw one
at Harbor Freight for $69. It seems like it would be similar to the "Cink"
sold by Creative Ind.
Robert Edney on mon 13 nov 06
There are a couple of issues I can think of. The first would be that a parts washer uses solvent, and rust is therefore not an issue. Plain steel parts would work fine with solvent but rust in time with water. However, at $69 you could replace the thing every now and then. Secondly, you'd want to place the pump input somewhere other than the bottom, where all the heavy clay and gritty stuff settle -- such stuff will wear out a pump not designed for it quickly. Still, might be worth a try -- it's cheap enough. I did once build a similar thing with couple of 5 gallon buckets and a pump with a rubber impeller. Worked great.
Larry W wrote: Has anyone ever tried using an automotive parts washer for a clean up
sink? They are self contained with a circulating pump and made to wash
grease and dirt off of car parts. They use a solvent but I don't see why
you couldn't fill it with water and use it for cleaning up clay. I saw one
at Harbor Freight for $69. It seems like it would be similar to the "Cink"
sold by Creative Ind.
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Vince Pitelka on mon 13 nov 06
> Has anyone ever tried using an automotive parts washer for a clean up
> sink? They are self contained with a circulating pump and made to wash
> grease and dirt off of car parts. They use a solvent but I don't see why
> you couldn't fill it with water and use it for cleaning up clay. I saw one
> at Harbor Freight for $69. It seems like it would be similar to the "Cink"
> sold by Creative Ind.
Larry -
That's a clever idea. I don't know how well the pump would work with water,
but more, I am afraid that the abrasives in the dirty water would kill the
pump very quickly. I do not know what kind of pump the "Cink" uses, but
there are pumps available where all the contact surfaces are rubber-coated,
and they are intended to be used with suspensions containing abrasive
materials. So, I am afraid that the pump on the solvent tank might fail
quickly. Of course, then you could just purchase a replacement pump for a
"Cink" and install that.
If you proceed with this idea, I would install a vertical riser tube in the
drain, so that there is always ten or twelve inches of water in the tub and
the water drains at the top of the riser tube. That way, most of the
abrasive materials would settle to the bottom of the tank. Once a week or
so, in the morning after the heavy stuff has all settled out, you could
siphon off the clean water and then clean out the heavy stuff in the bottom
of the tank.
Good luck -
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft, Tennessee Technological University
Smithville TN 37166, 615/597-6801 x111
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Bruce Glassford on tue 14 nov 06
Vince Pitelka wrote:
>> Has anyone ever tried using an automotive parts washer for a clean up
>> sink? They are self contained with a circulating pump and made to wash
>> grease and dirt off of car parts. They use a solvent but I don't see why
>> you couldn't fill it with water and use it for cleaning up clay. I saw
>> one
>> at Harbor Freight for $69. It seems like it would be similar to the
>> "Cink"
>> sold by Creative Ind.
>
> Larry -
> That's a clever idea. I don't know how well the pump would work with
> water,
> but more, I am afraid that the abrasives in the dirty water would kill the
> pump very quickly. I do not know what kind of pump the "Cink" uses, but
> there are pumps available where all the contact surfaces are rubber-coated,
> and they are intended to be used with suspensions containing abrasive
> materials. So, I am afraid that the pump on the solvent tank might fail
> quickly. Of course, then you could just purchase a replacement pump for a
> "Cink" and install that.
>
> If you proceed with this idea, I would install a vertical riser tube in the
> drain, so that there is always ten or twelve inches of water in the tub and
> the water drains at the top of the riser tube. That way, most of the
> abrasive materials would settle to the bottom of the tank. Once a week or
> so, in the morning after the heavy stuff has all settled out, you could
> siphon off the clean water and then clean out the heavy stuff in the bottom
> of the tank.
> Good luck -
> - Vince
It's designed for water-based solvents, so I think water should work ok
for the pump. As you point out, Vince, it's the abrasives/particles
that might be an issue - the Cink has a filter to grab the clay - these
devices appear to just recirculate the solvent and assume that the gunk
stays in suspension and gets emptied out frequently as the solvent gets
changed.
Still, it's a lot less expensive :) Wonder if you could install a
standard sink clay trap in it.... may have to go for a trip over to
Harbor Freight this weekend and take a look and see if they have some
there to look at.
... Bruce Glassford
Donald Burroughs on wed 15 nov 06
The "cink" that was referenced is a nothing more than a industrial
kitchen/supermarket sink with a self-contained filtration system. It is
also very costly and really only applies to those who are production
potteries and schools which have the luxury in their budgets, and whose
clay waste output is very high.
A low tech approach for the individual clay artist/potter would be to
aquire a plexi-glass container whether buying it or if opportunity arises
a supermarket is replacing it's plexi-glass display cases and asking if
still need those marred containers. During clean-up use a wide mouth pail
to rinse your tools of clay.(I have a PVC laundry sink in my studio.)
Then take the slop water and empty it into one of the plexi-glass
containers I spoke of. Let it settle and siphon of the clear water for
disposal. Over time the sediment builds up, when you are near capacity
dispose of the sludge or recycle it as a slip for attaching pieces ( make
sure no plaster or foreign items eg.: tool pieces are part of your slop)
Donald Burroughs
Lori Leary on wed 15 nov 06
Here's another low tech way to deal with washing clay covered tools and
such. (This works best with a deep laundry type sink)
Drill a cork-sized hole in a five gallon plastic bucket *about* 3/4 of
the way down from the top. Place the bucket in the sink, put in the cork
and use the bucket to wash your tools. After letting the water in the
bucket settle overnight, pull out the cork and let the clear water drain
out. I made it a habit to do it the first thing in the morning, so I
wouldn't forget. When the level of clay residue gets close to the cork,
or it starts to get a little stinky, just scoop it out. I always used
the remains when I recycled or made clay in my pugmill.....
Lori L.
Donald Burroughs wrote:
> A low tech approach for the individual clay artist/potter would be to
> aquire a plexi-glass container whether buying it or if opportunity arises
> a supermarket is replacing it's plexi-glass display cases and asking if
> still need those marred containers. During clean-up use a wide mouth pail
> to rinse your tools of clay.(I have a PVC laundry sink in my studio.)
> Then take the slop water and empty it into one of the plexi-glass
> containers I spoke of. Let it settle and siphon of the clear water for
> disposal. Over time the sediment builds up, when you are near capacity
> dispose of the sludge or recycle it as a slip for attaching pieces ( make
> sure no plaster or foreign items eg.: tool pieces are part of your slop)
>
> Donald Burroughs
>
Nancy on wed 15 nov 06
Don
I use a large garbage can with a strainer hooked to the side. Wash your
tools at your wheel and clean your bucket and splash pans in the slop
bucket. When it gets full, the shop vac sucks the water out with ease.
In the summer...they hose it right outside! :)
Nancy
www.hilltoppottery.com
Donald Burroughs wrote:
> The "cink" that was referenced is a nothing more than a industrial
> kitchen/supermarket sink with a self-contained filtration system. It is
> also very costly and really only applies to those who are production
> potteries and schools which have the luxury in their budgets, and whose
> clay waste output is very high.
> A low tech approach for the individual clay artist/potter would be to
> aquire a plexi-glass container whether buying it or if opportunity arises
> a supermarket is replacing it's plexi-glass display cases and asking if
> still need those marred containers. During clean-up use a wide mouth pail
> to rinse your tools of clay.(I have a PVC laundry sink in my studio.)
> Then take the slop water and empty it into one of the plexi-glass
> containers I spoke of. Let it settle and siphon of the clear water for
> disposal. Over time the sediment builds up, when you are near capacity
> dispose of the sludge or recycle it as a slip for attaching pieces ( make
> sure no plaster or foreign items eg.: tool pieces are part of your slop)
>
> Donald Burroughs
>
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