RJ Shaw on sat 18 nov 06
Hey Joyce or Mel,
I sent the following post in at 9:54 am on the 16th, and again at
noon today (18th). It still has not appeared. I also sent a second
post on the 16th about silt casting, and it has also not appeared. I
see a response that they are received, so I know they get to the
moderator, which in this case was Joyce.
I have been a moderator for another list for many years, so I
appreciate all that you do. I also understand that, yes, indeed, you
do have lives to lead and incomes to earn, and you both work hard on
a volunteer basis, and am grateful for what you do.
I would just like to know how the list is set up: Do you have members
on review for a certain length of time, or until they send so many
posts?
That is the way the list is set up that I help run. We have about
1,000 members internationally, and many of our folks are in quite a
bit of pain. For that reason, they can get grouchy and flare
occasionally. Hence the need for review until we are acquainted with
them a bit. But after about a month on the list, or 5 to 10 posts
without problems, we take them off review.
We have been members of Clayart for over three years, and during that
time we have not be frequent posters, but certainly not lurkers
either. Granted, we have had to change our e-mail address, but not
our name. We've always been Shaws or Shaw Pottery.
By the time my second post (on silt casting) will arrive, the subject
will be long over, I'm afraid. Hopefully the first will not suddenly
show up twice. I doubt it, because I know that Listserv deletes them
after so long without approval.
If you have a problem with our posts, please let us know, in order
for us to correct it. If you are swamped, I sympathize, and can wait.
I just don't want them deleted from Listserv before they are approved.
But if we are simply still on review, I think we have served our time
honorably and can surely be taken off review status so our posts can
arrive in a more timely fashion.
With appreciation for your work,
Rita (and Joe) Shaw
http://shawpottery.com/
mailto:rjshaw@shawpottery.com
806-937-7495
>To: Clayart
>From: RJ Shaw
>Subject: Websites, online galleries = livable income?
>Cc:
>Bcc:
>
>Hi folks, Rita here.
>
>Since we have set up http://shawpottery.com, from time to time, I
>run across websites that have listings of various artists and
>may/may not show their ware.. Sometimes they specialize in one form
>of art, others are a bit of everything. Different styles of what I
>would assume they call on-line galleries.
>
>We were wondering if any Clayarters have tried these out, found some
>that suit their needs, or perhaps others you shouldn't touch with a
>hot kiln shelf.
>
>What should we look for in this style of website, do most charge
>commission to the artist, the buyer; are more artists on the site
>better than less, what should you expect in the way of exposure,
>advertising, how difficult is it to keep them up to date with sold
>items..new items, etc.
>
>On the whole, we have had good response to our new webpage. The
>critique we received was helpful, but some we have no idea on how to
>meet. A few folks commented that the top of the page was too high,
>one said the type color was hard to read, and one said they could
>only get bits and pieces of the page. I realize that some of these
>problems are because of the variety of operating systems and styles
>of monitors, but how far do you go to correct the issues? Of course,
>if 20% said the pages were not loading correctly, that would be a
>major problem, we realize, and would need immediate response.
>
>Part of that issue is that we are using a Mac program with it's own
>templates, since this is our first webpage. I hope to take a class
>at Allan Hancock soon in web design, if I can determine it is not
>all windows based but cross-platform instead.
>
>How often do you update your webpages? Since we have only had one
>sale from the webpage itself, and 99.9% of our sales from the Beach
>Show, our needs are definitely different from a potter who depends
>on high sales from their webpage. I fully expect that the latter
>might be true for us as time goes by, tho. We are both disabled, and
>setting up an entire display 50 - 60 times a year is wearing on
>bodies that have a collection of ouches and whoops. Someday we will
>want to retire, or cut back significantly from the weekly 150 mile
>round trip and two-hour setup and teardown routine. Usually the
>sales are what we need to survive, some days are fantastic, a few
>barely cover expenses. So, someday, someday...
>
>Long story short... As time goes by, we will need to place our pots
>in a gallery, or two, or ???, and have a strong webpage that will
>provide us enough sales to supplement the trickle of SS that flows
>in, to keep us in crackers and water, at least.
>
>Are there good books and articles you folks have found that help
>retirees educate themselves on some of these issues? As they say,
>it's not hard to be your own boss, but it's damn difficult to be
>your own employee.
>
>I also found one webpage that showed photos of Clayart folks,
>http://amsterlaw.com/clayart.html. It seemed slow to load and the
>photos keep running together. Are there other sites? We would like
>to get to know you better! Oh, yes, one last question.... do you
>actually call them websites, webpages, or what? I see a bit of both.
>
>Thank you one and all,
>Rita and Joe Shaw
>--
>http://shawpottery.com/
>mailto:rjshaw@shawpottery.com
>806-937-7495
>
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Snail Scott on mon 20 nov 06
At 11:37 PM 11/18/2006 -0800, you wrote:
>I sent the following post in at 9:54 am on the 16th, and again at
>noon today (18th). It still has not appeared...I would just like to know
how the list is set up: Do you have members
>on review for a certain length of time, or until they send so many
>posts? ...I think we have served our time
>honorably and can surely be taken off review status so our posts can
>arrive in a more timely fashion.
No need to see this as a personal slight -
I'm pretty sure we saw all your posts. I
didn't respond, having no expertise in that
area; any other non-responses could likely
be attributed to similar shortcomings in
others, or to sheer lack of time to respond.
There is no review process, except vetting
for inappropriate content. (No 'personal-
enlargement' schemes or long-lost lottery
heirs need apply!)
The fact that you've posted before without
difficulty should put your mind at ease,
that there is no bias involved. It doesn't
guarantee that your settings are all correct,
though. Some folks have reported that their
settings have inexplicably changed lately,
probably right after all the modifications
to the system. Just go to
http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
and confirm that you are set for 'repro',
so that you can see your own posts and not
just other peoples'. Always a good idea to
assume that any problems are computer
glitches rather than personal spite unless
proven otherwise.
Nine time out of ten, it ain't nobody's
fault.
-Snail
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