Julie Milazzo on wed 22 nov 06
So, I always told myself that I would pursue clay and
explore it professionally, and at the age of thirty,
would reevaluate the situation. I'm a couple weeks shy
of thirty one, and have decided that it is time to
continue with clay, but also pursue a master's degree
in counseling. I want clay to remain something I
adore, something I make because I need to, not a
battle between financial security and making pieces I
detest. Life has tossed me a couple of curve balls
that have forced some maturity and insight (okay,
well, not a lot of maturity...), and I am ready to
pursue a career in psychology and continue my love
affair with clay.
This brings me to you all. I would love input if
any of you are aware of graduate schools that have
counseling programs as well as ceramic studios. I have
done some research, but nothing I find online can
really compare to personal connections and experiences
you may have had.
I haven't yet decided whether to pursue a double
master's degree, the second one being an MFA in
Ceramics. While it is something I have been kicking
around, my gut tells me that as long as I have access
to a studio, a degree isn't necessary. Therefore, I am
also open to studios operating independently of the
university. I would be happy teaching classes and/ or
having an assistantship.
Also, if anyone has any reason why they believe a
school would be a poor choice, feel free to let me
know. I will not share the information with anyone.
Any help would be appreciated. It's been several years
since I left academia (last century, in fact...), and
am a little apprehensive about beginning this search,
but also am very excited. It's amazing how ten years
ago, the idea of health insurance wasn't even a blip
on the radar; now I think about it every day. Security
and some possibility of future permanence- who would
have thought that those things would ever cross my
mind?
Anyway, enough babbling. I just finished a soda
firing, and am a little hyper and exhausted. Thank
you! Jules
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Cindy Gatto on wed 22 nov 06
You don't say where you are or if traveling is a problem I know that Hunter
College has both and it is a very good school, also Queens College has both I
have heard their ceramic program is good but I don't know about the psych
dept. Both are in NYC and are city schools I also know that Harvard in Boston is
one of the best kept secrets in clay and one of my students just went there
for art therapy. She had her choice of schools and she said she was going
there because of their program, but Harvard would be very expensive. Good luck
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William & Susan Schran User on wed 22 nov 06
On 11/22/06 4:32 AM, "Julie Milazzo" wrote:
> This brings me to you all. I would love input if
> any of you are aware of graduate schools that have
> counseling programs as well as ceramic studios.
Hmmm...no specific answers to question about schools with good psychology &
ceramics programs, but you may want to also consider art therapy programs.
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clennell on wed 22 nov 06
Jules wrote:
> So, I always told myself that I would pursue clay and
> explore it professionally, and at the age of thirty,
> would reevaluate the situation. I'm a couple weeks shy
> of thirty one, and have decided that it is time to
> continue with clay, but also pursue a master's degree
> in counseling. I want clay to remain something I
> adore, something I make because I need to, not a
> battle between financial security and making pieces I
> detest. Life has tossed me a couple of curve balls
> that have forced some maturity and insight (okay,
> well, not a lot of maturity...), and I am ready to
> pursue a career in psychology and continue my love
> affair with clay.
hey Julie: Glad to see you surfacing and I'm bummed out watching you throw
in the clay towel. You are one of Marvin Bjurlin's spark plugs and if you
can't make it, I don't know who the heck can. I wondered what would happen
when ya sold your pottery in that sea town in the Carolina's and followed
another love to the west???? I have taught many really good young potters at
Sheridan that after a few years are just plain tired out but mostly tired of
being a sick day away from being broke.
In my opinion teaching/counselling along with your pots is a wise move. One
of our best is going back to Teacher's College. She will have summers,
security and a smile again. Don't feel sad.
the guy that Sheila said ought to be my son did it all- after Sheridan,
apprenticship, off to Alberta to finish his BFA, down to OZ to school there
with some fine ones, off to SASKATCHEWAN (the only one to ever take that
advice from me) to make woodfired pots. Now, working in Toronto at
Starbucks. He's smiling though and collecting pottery equipment.
I'm not a betting man but I'll bet ya a Grande Cappachino Skim with cinnamon
sprinkles on it, I'll see ya again on the dirt road.
I hope you get some good graduate school advice. There are people in Ivory
Towers on Clayart that really care about dirt balls.
Stay dirty, kiddo!
Best,
Tony
P.S In my dream world I'd surround myself with young potters like the above
3 hotshots. Somewhere that we could curse, spit, help one another and make
pots the way they ought to be made.
Sheryl McMonigal on wed 22 nov 06
I have always wanted to go back and become an art therapist, my sisterinlaw
is a psychologist and she is burnt out after a couple years. I have a brain
injury now so hard course work is not an optionn any more. I guess I will
just council my clay and learn as I go or is it the clay doing all the
counciling.
sheryl mc.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie Milazzo"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 1:32 AM
Subject: Reality bites- grad school advice
> So, I always told myself that I would pursue clay and
> explore it professionally, and at the age of thirty,
> would reevaluate the situation. I'm a couple weeks shy
> of thirty one, and have decided that it is time to
> continue with clay, but also pursue a master's degree
> in counseling. I want clay to remain something I
> adore, something I make because I need to, not a
> battle between financial security and making pieces I
> detest. Life has tossed me a couple of curve balls
> that have forced some maturity and insight (okay,
> well, not a lot of maturity...), and I am ready to
> pursue a career in psychology and continue my love
> affair with clay.
> This brings me to you all. I would love input if
> any of you are aware of graduate schools that have
> counseling programs as well as ceramic studios. I have
> done some research, but nothing I find online can
> really compare to personal connections and experiences
> you may have had.
> I haven't yet decided whether to pursue a double
> master's degree, the second one being an MFA in
> Ceramics. While it is something I have been kicking
> around, my gut tells me that as long as I have access
> to a studio, a degree isn't necessary. Therefore, I am
> also open to studios operating independently of the
> university. I would be happy teaching classes and/ or
> having an assistantship.
> Also, if anyone has any reason why they believe a
> school would be a poor choice, feel free to let me
> know. I will not share the information with anyone.
> Any help would be appreciated. It's been several years
> since I left academia (last century, in fact...), and
> am a little apprehensive about beginning this search,
> but also am very excited. It's amazing how ten years
> ago, the idea of health insurance wasn't even a blip
> on the radar; now I think about it every day. Security
> and some possibility of future permanence- who would
> have thought that those things would ever cross my
> mind?
> Anyway, enough babbling. I just finished a soda
> firing, and am a little hyper and exhausted. Thank
> you! Jules
>
>
>
>
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L. P. Skeen on wed 22 nov 06
The University of NC at Greensboro has a ceramics studio and a psych
program. The Art department has a brand spankin' new building too.
L
> From: "Julie Milazzo"
>
>> This brings me to you all. I would love input if
>> any of you are aware of graduate schools that have
>> counseling programs as well as ceramic studios.
>
Lee Love on thu 23 nov 06
On 11/22/06, Julie Milazzo wrote:
.
> I haven't yet decided whether to pursue a double
> master's degree, the second one being an MFA in
> Ceramics.
Hi Julie,
Part of my formal education is in clinical social work. Do
you have friends working in the counseling field? You need to talk
to some, related to financial security. Jean's best friend, who
introduce me to Jean, says that the HMOs have really made her work
difficult as an independent therapist. They can only have so many
visits even if the work is not finished and they keep demanding more
work for less pay. Working for an institution might be better, but
even there they are often focused on profit margin over patient/client
care.
Check out the UofMn. They have a beautiful new ceramics facility
set up (My friend Mason Riddle recently wrote about it in CM):
http://www.psych.umn.edu/graduate/index.html
http://www.art.umn.edu/areas/ceramics.php
> ago, the idea of health insurance wasn't even a blip
> on the radar; now I think about it every day. Security
> and some possibility of future permanence- who would
> have thought that those things would ever cross my
> mind?
You might think about emigrating to ANY other 1st world country.
They all have universal heath care coverage. National health care
assists many young potters of modest means here in Japan.
--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan
http://potters.blogspot.com/
"Let the beauty we love be what we do." - Rumi
"When we all do better. We ALL do better." -Paul Wellstone
Julie Milazzo on thu 23 nov 06
Hmmm... you know, just like in clay, there are various
mental health workshops. I was lucky enough to go to
one given by Natalie Rogers several years ago, and it
was interesting, a lot of fun, and there weren't any
tests. She is the daughter of Carl Rogers, who is the
father of the humanistic approach to psychology. He
believed that if you provided a safe, nonjudgemental
environment, people would feel more free to explore
their issues, and less resistant to growth.
Anyway, his daughter has developed a form of art
therapy that builds on his ideas. You might want to
look into her workshops and/or books. It's really
interesting, and positive, and you certainly don't
have to be in an academic program to learn about it.
Good luck! Jules
--- Sheryl McMonigal
wrote:
> I have always wanted to go back and become an art
> therapist, my sisterinlaw
> is a psychologist and she is burnt out after a
> couple years. I have a brain
> injury now so hard course work is not an optionn any
> more. I guess I will
> just council my clay and learn as I go or is it the
> clay doing all the
> counciling.
> sheryl mc.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie Milazzo"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 1:32 AM
> Subject: Reality bites- grad school advice
>
>
> > So, I always told myself that I would pursue clay
> and
> > explore it professionally, and at the age of
> thirty,
> > would reevaluate the situation. I'm a couple weeks
> shy
> > of thirty one, and have decided that it is time to
> > continue with clay, but also pursue a master's
> degree
> > in counseling. I want clay to remain something I
> > adore, something I make because I need to, not a
> > battle between financial security and making
> pieces I
> > detest. Life has tossed me a couple of curve balls
> > that have forced some maturity and insight (okay,
> > well, not a lot of maturity...), and I am ready to
> > pursue a career in psychology and continue my love
> > affair with clay.
> > This brings me to you all. I would love input
> if
> > any of you are aware of graduate schools that have
> > counseling programs as well as ceramic studios. I
> have
> > done some research, but nothing I find online can
> > really compare to personal connections and
> experiences
> > you may have had.
> > I haven't yet decided whether to pursue a
> double
> > master's degree, the second one being an MFA in
> > Ceramics. While it is something I have been
> kicking
> > around, my gut tells me that as long as I have
> access
> > to a studio, a degree isn't necessary. Therefore,
> I am
> > also open to studios operating independently of
> the
> > university. I would be happy teaching classes and/
> or
> > having an assistantship.
> > Also, if anyone has any reason why they
> believe a
> > school would be a poor choice, feel free to let me
> > know. I will not share the information with
> anyone.
> > Any help would be appreciated. It's been several
> years
> > since I left academia (last century, in fact...),
> and
> > am a little apprehensive about beginning this
> search,
> > but also am very excited. It's amazing how ten
> years
> > ago, the idea of health insurance wasn't even a
> blip
> > on the radar; now I think about it every day.
> Security
> > and some possibility of future permanence- who
> would
> > have thought that those things would ever cross my
> > mind?
> > Anyway, enough babbling. I just finished a
> soda
> > firing, and am a little hyper and exhausted. Thank
> > you! Jules
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Julie Milazzo on thu 23 nov 06
I have considered it, but really want art to be my
therapy, and would prefer to not mix the two. Clay
will be my affair, if you will. I'm afraid of it ever
feeling like a job, which it has started to do. Not
that I won't try to learn some techniques, and
encourage clients to get involved in something that
also feeds their souls, but I really don't feel that
art therapy is right for me. Thank you for responding,
and thinking of this field, which really should be
perfect for me. Jules
--- William & Susan Schran User
wrote:
> On 11/22/06 4:32 AM, "Julie Milazzo"
> wrote:
>
> > This brings me to you all. I would love input
> if
> > any of you are aware of graduate schools that have
> > counseling programs as well as ceramic studios.
>
> Hmmm...no specific answers to question about schools
> with good psychology &
> ceramics programs, but you may want to also consider
> art therapy programs.
>
>
> --
> William "Bill" Schran
> wschran@cox.net
> wschran@nvcc.edu
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Julie Milazzo on thu 23 nov 06
Ooooh thank you! I was hoping to head back toward the
east! I'll definitely check it out. It has to be less
expensive than Seattle, better weather, and closer to
my family, whether I like it or not... Jules
--- "L. P. Skeen" wrote:
> The University of NC at Greensboro has a ceramics
> studio and a psych
> program. The Art department has a brand spankin'
> new building too.
>
> L
> > From: "Julie Milazzo"
> >
> >> This brings me to you all. I would love
> input if
> >> any of you are aware of graduate schools that
> have
> >> counseling programs as well as ceramic studios.
> >
>
>
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Julie Milazzo on thu 23 nov 06
I was, but moved to Seattle in January. I seem to like
bouncing coasts, though... Jules
--- "L. P. Skeen" wrote:
> Sorry, I thought you were in South Carolina.
>
> L
>
> Julie Milazzo wrote:
> > Ooooh thank you! I was hoping to head back toward
> the
> > east! I'll definitely check it out. It has to be
> less
> > expensive than Seattle, better weather, and closer
> to
> > my family, whether I like it or not... Jules
> > --- "L. P. Skeen" wrote:
> >
> >
> >> The University of NC at Greensboro has a ceramics
> >> studio and a psych
> >> program.
> >
>
>
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Julie Milazzo on thu 23 nov 06
Hmmm... I don't think my 3.5 GPA would get me anywhere
near Harvard, and as far as travel and preferences go,
I'm fairly mobile. I can't be anywhere prohibitively
expensive, or prohibitively cold (I reached my quota
growing up in western New York), but other than that I
can pretty much head anywhere.
I doubt I could afford NYC, and also doubt I
could handle living in that city. For some reason,
certain cities trigger my ADD like crazy, and New York
is one of them. Seattle (where I am now) is fine, and
even Los Angeles is fine, but NYC just overwhelms me
completely and makes me feel paralyzed. Unless I'm
with people who know the area. And there's good beer.
Hmmm... I'll look further into it. Thanks for helping
me out! Jules
--- Cindy Gatto wrote:
> You don't say where you are or if traveling is a
> problem I know that Hunter
> College has both and it is a very good school, also
> Queens College has both I
> have heard their ceramic program is good but I don't
> know about the psych
> dept. Both are in NYC and are city schools I also
> know that Harvard in Boston is
> one of the best kept secrets in clay and one of my
> students just went there
> for art therapy. She had her choice of schools and
> she said she was going
> there because of their program, but Harvard would
> be very expensive. Good luck
>
> Cindy Gatto & Mark Petrin
> The Mudpit
> 228 Manhattan Ave
> Brooklyn, NY 11206
> 718-218-9424
> _www.mudpitnyc.com_ (http://www.mudpitnyc.com/)
> mudpitnyc@aol.com
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Julie Milazzo on thu 23 nov 06
Thanks Lee! My mom was a psychiatric nurse
practitioner, and I did watch the beaurocracy take
over. There is no perfect job out there, but I do
enjoy problem solving, social interaction, helping
people. I would prefer to work for an institution,
because I seem to require a strong supply of structure
and discipline. I don't feel that I will be madly in
love with my career; I also don't think I will dislike
it. Realistically, I want to pursue counseling because
I am good at it, and I enjoy it. Perhaps there are
some specific fields that might be more suited to my
personality, and hopefully grad school will help shed
light on them, but I'm feeling certain that this
chapter in my book of constant motion and commotion is
heading this way. Thank you for your help! Jules
--- Lee Love wrote:
> On 11/22/06, Julie Milazzo
> wrote:
>
>
> .
> > I haven't yet decided whether to pursue a
> double
> > master's degree, the second one being an MFA in
> > Ceramics.
>
> Hi Julie,
>
> Part of my formal education is in clinical
> social work. Do
> you have friends working in the counseling field?
> You need to talk
> to some, related to financial security. Jean's
> best friend, who
> introduce me to Jean, says that the HMOs have really
> made her work
> difficult as an independent therapist. They can
> only have so many
> visits even if the work is not finished and they
> keep demanding more
> work for less pay. Working for an institution
> might be better, but
> even there they are often focused on profit margin
> over patient/client
> care.
>
> Check out the UofMn. They have a beautiful new
> ceramics facility
> set up (My friend Mason Riddle recently wrote about
> it in CM):
>
> http://www.psych.umn.edu/graduate/index.html
>
> http://www.art.umn.edu/areas/ceramics.php
>
>
> > ago, the idea of health insurance wasn't even a
> blip
> > on the radar; now I think about it every day.
> Security
> > and some possibility of future permanence- who
> would
> > have thought that those things would ever cross my
> > mind?
>
> You might think about emigrating to ANY other
> 1st world country.
> They all have universal heath care coverage.
> National health care
> assists many young potters of modest means here in
> Japan.
>
> --
> Lee in Mashiko, Japan
> http://potters.blogspot.com/
> "Let the beauty we love be what we do." - Rumi
> "When we all do better. We ALL do better." -Paul
> Wellstone
>
>
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Lois Ruben Aronow on thu 23 nov 06
I was under the impression that Hunter closed down it's ceramics program a
few years ago.
> -----Original Message-----
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> Cindy Gatto
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:51 PM
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Subject: Re: Reality bites- grad school advice
>
> You don't say where you are or if traveling is a problem I
> know that Hunter College has both and it is a very good
> school, also Queens College has both I have heard their
> ceramic program is good but I don't know about the psych
> dept. Both are in NYC and are city schools I also know that
> Harvard in Boston is one of the best kept secrets in clay
> and one of my students just went there for art therapy. She
> had her choice of schools and she said she was going there
> because of their program, but Harvard would be very
> expensive. Good luck
>
> Cindy Gatto & Mark Petrin
> The Mudpit
> 228 Manhattan Ave
> Brooklyn, NY 11206
> 718-218-9424
> _www.mudpitnyc.com_ (http://www.mudpitnyc.com/) mudpitnyc@aol.com
>
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L. P. Skeen on thu 23 nov 06
Sorry, I thought you were in South Carolina.
L
Julie Milazzo wrote:
> Ooooh thank you! I was hoping to head back toward the
> east! I'll definitely check it out. It has to be less
> expensive than Seattle, better weather, and closer to
> my family, whether I like it or not... Jules
> --- "L. P. Skeen" wrote:
>
>
>> The University of NC at Greensboro has a ceramics
>> studio and a psych
>> program.
>
Cindy Gatto on fri 24 nov 06
I know they had closed but it is open now I've crossed paths with several
people who work out of there.
Cindy Gatto & Mark Petrin
The Mudpit
228 Manhattan Ave
Brooklyn, NY 11206
718-218-9424
_www.mudpitnyc.com_ (http://www.mudpitnyc.com/)
mudpitnyc@aol.com
Anne Doyle on sat 25 nov 06
Hi,
I wish you luck in your search for a career, a degree, a school...
A fear of poverty for myself and my 2 children and a desire for work that
made me feel i was making a contribution in this world led me to a degree
in Social Work at the age of 36. Fast forward 10 years and i have been off
work on stress leave for 17 months now with no idea if i will ever be able
to return to my job...
I now know that at 46, i have limited time, energy and resources left to
find a deeper meaning in everyday ...
Pottery is my therapy. It has been the only form of meditation i have found
that quiets my mind and i know now that i will continue to play with clay
until they cart me away. If i could make a living, of any kind, from clay,
i would go for it and trust that the rest would take care of itself...in
fact that's what i hope to do from now on...
I hope your search leads you to a choice fueled by love rather than fear
In Peace,
Anne, in Saint-Sauveur where the ground is frozen solid and the ski runs
have opened ....
Sheryl McMonigal on sun 26 nov 06
anne,
you can make money from pottery, I also supplement that with teaching after
school programs, the local adult center, folks in my home, museum, and I
just started something new; I go to peoples homes who can not get out
stroke victims, disabled, depressed old and I call it therapeutic art, some
of my clients have others come over and they split the cost. if you have
an art coop in your area that is also another good avenue for you work at a
lower overhead than most, I do some shows around 8 a year, and around
valentines mothers day and christmas I rent a spot in the missle of the mall
and it is fairly cheap. I am just also picking up some galleries after the
1st of the new year. you can make a living or partial one anyway, just be
creative about it .
sheryl mc.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anne Doyle"
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: Reality bites- grad school advice
> Hi,
> I wish you luck in your search for a career, a degree, a school...
> A fear of poverty for myself and my 2 children and a desire for work that
> made me feel i was making a contribution in this world led me to a degree
> in Social Work at the age of 36. Fast forward 10 years and i have been off
> work on stress leave for 17 months now with no idea if i will ever be able
> to return to my job...
> I now know that at 46, i have limited time, energy and resources left to
> find a deeper meaning in everyday ...
> Pottery is my therapy. It has been the only form of meditation i have
found
> that quiets my mind and i know now that i will continue to play with clay
> until they cart me away. If i could make a living, of any kind, from clay,
> i would go for it and trust that the rest would take care of itself...in
> fact that's what i hope to do from now on...
> I hope your search leads you to a choice fueled by love rather than fear
>
> In Peace,
> Anne, in Saint-Sauveur where the ground is frozen solid and the ski runs
> have opened ....
>
>
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Julie Milazzo on mon 27 nov 06
I actually also agree that you can make money doing
pottery. It does help if you are good at marketing,
diversifying, producing, and a number of other things.
A "make it and they will come" attitude is great, as
long as your needs are very little, and as long as you
realize that you are competing for the same dollars
that many companies are vying for.
I also feel that decisions made because of love
or fear aren't all that different for one another. I
love clay. I chose to pursue clay, because I adore it.
I see pieces with a luscious shino, or liquidy slips,
and I want to lick them. Literally. Clay, food,
people, touch, taste, and some things that are better
left to other websites, these are love to me.
Now, the decision to pursue a degree in
counseling: that is love too. It is a love of family,
friends and self, that determine that I will take care
of myself financially, emotionally and mentally a well
as I can, so that I won't have to depend on them.
Certainly, situations arise where we have to lean on
others, but my biggest fear isn't that I come down
with cancer and die. It's that I come down with
cancer, but it's treatable, but I can't work, so
there's no income, and I don't have health insurance,
because I can't afford it, and I have to move in with
my dad, who now can't retire, and I refuse to do that.
So, yes, it's fear. And yes, it's love. I am
currently staying with an aunt in Buffalo who is
recovering from surgery from uterine cancer. My other
aunt had breast cancer at my age. My mom died of
ovarian cancer that was triggered by the chemo she
received from breast cancer. I have the gene. I am at
elevated risk. I am excited about my decision, and am
looking forward to delineated work hours, so I can
stop feeling like I need to spend every second of
every day in the studio, and take advantage of life's
other joys (okay, not that I didn't or don't, but I'm
looking forward to feeling less guilty about it...)
Anyway, there's my rant. Fear, love, as long as
I'm going in the right direction... Jules
--- Sheryl McMonigal
wrote:
> anne,
> you can make money from pottery, I also supplement
> that with teaching after
> school programs, the local adult center, folks in my
> home, museum, and I
> just started something new; I go to peoples homes
> who can not get out
> stroke victims, disabled, depressed old and I call
> it therapeutic art, some
> of my clients have others come over and they split
> the cost. if you have
> an art coop in your area that is also another good
> avenue for you work at a
> lower overhead than most, I do some shows around 8 a
> year, and around
> valentines mothers day and christmas I rent a spot
> in the missle of the mall
> and it is fairly cheap. I am just also picking up
> some galleries after the
> 1st of the new year. you can make a living or
> partial one anyway, just be
> creative about it .
>
> sheryl mc.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anne Doyle"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Reality bites- grad school advice
>
>
> > Hi,
> > I wish you luck in your search for a career, a
> degree, a school...
> > A fear of poverty for myself and my 2 children and
> a desire for work that
> > made me feel i was making a contribution in this
> world led me to a degree
> > in Social Work at the age of 36. Fast forward 10
> years and i have been off
> > work on stress leave for 17 months now with no
> idea if i will ever be able
> > to return to my job...
> > I now know that at 46, i have limited time, energy
> and resources left to
> > find a deeper meaning in everyday ...
> > Pottery is my therapy. It has been the only form
> of meditation i have
> found
> > that quiets my mind and i know now that i will
> continue to play with clay
> > until they cart me away. If i could make a living,
> of any kind, from clay,
> > i would go for it and trust that the rest would
> take care of itself...in
> > fact that's what i hope to do from now on...
> > I hope your search leads you to a choice fueled by
> love rather than fear
> >
> > In Peace,
> > Anne, in Saint-Sauveur where the ground is frozen
> solid and the ski runs
> > have opened ....
> >
> >
>
____________________________________________________________________________
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> > Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
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> >
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> reached at
> melpots@pclink.com.
>
>
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ychotherapy practice, has a lot of ideas which would also apply to having a=
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Julie Milazzo on wed 29 nov 06
And maybe it's just a nice ebb and flow. Pottery
worked during my twenties. i had a lot to proove
(mostly to myself), and had no fear of anything,
except, maybe commitment. Maybe when I retire, I'll
choose pottery as my main thang again. Right now, I'm
flowing in another direction. Still a bit of a
commitmentphobe, but hey, what can you do? So I guess
this post did make it through, hmmm.. Okay, disregard
the next one, which says the exact same thing. I guess
my own posts just don't show up in my mailbox... Jules
PMS... I hope I'm not stupid enough to think I am
disciplined enough to go into private practice. My
downfalls in running a gallery would show up just the
same, because, yes, there are certainly
similarities...
--- Diane Puckett wrote:
> Funny. I have been a therapist for 12 years and am
> now looking to "retire" in a few years and create
> pottery full-time. Because we will be moving to
> another area, I won't want to put the time and
> energy into starting another private practice, but
> maybe I can find a place to do some part-time
> counseling. There is a book by Lynn Grotzki
>
http://www.amazon.com/Building-Your-Ideal-Private-Practice/dp/0393703312/sr=1-2/qid=1164811369/ref=sr_1_2/104-6466336-4542348?ie=UTF8&s=books
> which, tho it is about building a psychotherapy
> practice, has a lot of ideas which would also apply
> to having a pottery business. I agree that fear is
> never helpful in achieving success.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Julie Milazzo
> To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:12:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Reality bites- grad school advice
>
>
> I actually also agree that you can make money doing
> pottery. It does help if you are good at marketing,
> diversifying, producing, and a number of other
> things.
> A "make it and they will come" attitude is great, as
> long as your needs are very little, and as long as
> you
> realize that you are competing for the same dollars
> that many companies are vying for.
> I also feel that decisions made because of love
> or fear aren't all that different for one another. I
> love clay. I chose to pursue clay, because I adore
> it.
> I see pieces with a luscious shino, or liquidy
> slips,
> and I want to lick them. Literally. Clay, food,
> people, touch, taste, and some things that are
> better
> left to other websites, these are love to me.
> Now, the decision to pursue a degree in
> counseling: that is love too. It is a love of
> family,
> friends and self, that determine that I will take
> care
> of myself financially, emotionally and mentally a
> well
> as I can, so that I won't have to depend on them.
> Certainly, situations arise where we have to lean on
> others, but my biggest fear isn't that I come down
> with cancer and die. It's that I come down with
> cancer, but it's treatable, but I can't work, so
> there's no income, and I don't have health
> insurance,
> because I can't afford it, and I have to move in
> with
> my dad, who now can't retire, and I refuse to do
> that.
>
> So, yes, it's fear. And yes, it's love. I am
> currently staying with an aunt in Buffalo who is
> recovering from surgery from uterine cancer. My
> other
> aunt had breast cancer at my age. My mom died of
> ovarian cancer that was triggered by the chemo she
> received from breast cancer. I have the gene. I am
> at
> elevated risk. I am excited about my decision, and
> am
> looking forward to delineated work hours, so I can
> stop feeling like I need to spend every second of
> every day in the studio, and take advantage of
> life's
> other joys (okay, not that I didn't or don't, but
> I'm
> looking forward to feeling less guilty about it...)
> Anyway, there's my rant. Fear, love, as long as
> I'm going in the right direction... Jules
> --- Sheryl McMonigal
> wrote:
>
> > anne,
> > you can make money from pottery, I also
> supplement
> > that with teaching after
> > school programs, the local adult center, folks in
> my
> > home, museum, and I
> > just started something new; I go to peoples homes
> > who can not get out
> > stroke victims, disabled, depressed old and I call
> > it therapeutic art, some
> > of my clients have others come over and they
> split
> > the cost. if you have
> > an art coop in your area that is also another good
> > avenue for you work at a
> > lower overhead than most, I do some shows around 8
> a
> > year, and around
> > valentines mothers day and christmas I rent a spot
> > in the missle of the mall
> > and it is fairly cheap. I am just also picking up
> > some galleries after the
> > 1st of the new year. you can make a living or
> > partial one anyway, just be
> > creative about it .
> >
> > sheryl mc.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Anne Doyle"
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: Reality bites- grad school advice
> >
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > I wish you luck in your search for a career, a
> > degree, a school...
> > > A fear of poverty for myself and my 2 children
> and
> > a desire for work that
> > > made me feel i was making a contribution in this
> > world led me to a degree
> > > in Social Work at the age of 36. Fast forward 10
> > years and i have been off
> > > work on stress leave for 17 months now with no
> > idea if i will ever be able
> > > to return to my job...
> > > I now know that at 46, i have limited time,
> energy
> > and resources left to
> > > find a deeper meaning in everyday ...
> > > Pottery is my therapy. It has been the only form
> > of meditation i have
> > found
> > > that quiets my mind and i know now that i will
> > continue to play with clay
> > > until they cart me away. If i could make a
> living,
> > of any kind, from clay,
> > > i would go for it and trust that the rest would
> > take care of itself...in
> > > fact that's what i hope to do from now on...
> > > I hope your search leads you to a choice fueled
> by
> > love rather than fear
> > >
> > > In Peace,
> > > Anne, in Saint-Sauveur where the ground is
> frozen
> > solid and the ski runs
> > > have opened ....
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > reached at
> > melpots@pclink.com.
> >
> >
>
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