Pamela Regentin on mon 4 dec 06
claystevslat wrote:
>As it happens, though, there's virtually no evidence that there's
>a connection between immunizations and vaccinations -- with or
>without thiomerosal -- and Alzheimers, autism, etc.
>The apparent correlation between the reported rates of autism
>and widespread mercury use was based on chronology -- autism >became
>much more widely diagnosed following the near-universality of DPT
>innoculations in the '80's.
I have to disagree that there is "virtually no evidence." There is a tremendous amount of research and published information (by Phds btw) (again - the book I recommended) that is being pushed aside and explained away. There is no excuse for not looking at this closer when the effects are so devastating. Keep in mind that the drug industry is a (unregulated) multi-billion dollar industry (which results in significant power and control) and if any connection were officially recognized it would cost them. They even have legal protection already in place. Vaccinations are not "probably benign" (as a previous poster said) as any pediatrician would tell you. They come with significant recognized risk, including seizure and death. If a child has a seizure or dies, the parents are legally restricted from in any way prosecuting the drug manufacturer for their product. (drug lobbies)
I expect to be accused of fear-mongering or conspiracy hunting, but I simply believe that accountablity and thorough research is called for when we are talking about an epidemic (and autism is certainly at epidemic rates now).
I also don't accept that autism is simply more readily diagnosed now. Growing up in the 60's and going to public schools, we certainly never knew children who had autistic symptoms (undiagnosed). Now we frequently know or hear of families who have an autistic child. The rate has increased in the last 20 years by 2000%. This is not simply because it is now diagnosed.
One more thought, ingesting mercury (through eating tuna, etc.) has a different effect on the body than injecting it into the bloodstream. Also, since everyone is different and grown bodies are significantly different than infant ones, the effects again, are going to vary.
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Vantuil Varges on mon 4 dec 06
This is a discussion that does not belong in Clay.
Perhaps the folks who have interest should continue it in private.
As an MD there is no doubt in my mind that improvement in
socioeconomic conditions and immunizations have a major impact in
health statistics.
Vantuil Varges
On Dec 4, 2006, at 1:01 PM, Pamela Regentin wrote:
> claystevslat wrote:
>> As it happens, though, there's virtually no evidence that there's
>> a connection between immunizations and vaccinations -- with or
>> without thiomerosal -- and Alzheimers, autism, etc.
>
>> The apparent correlation between the reported rates of autism
>> and widespread mercury use was based on chronology -- autism >became
>> much more widely diagnosed following the near-universality of DPT
>> innoculations in the '80's.
> I have to disagree that there is "virtually no evidence." There is
> a tremendous amount of research and published information (by Phds
> btw) (again - the book I recommended) that is being pushed aside
> and explained away. There is no excuse for not looking at this
> closer when the effects are so devastating. Keep in mind that the
> drug industry is a (unregulated) multi-billion dollar industry
> (which results in significant power and control) and if any
> connection were officially recognized it would cost them. They even
> have legal protection already in place. Vaccinations are not
> "probably benign" (as a previous poster said) as any pediatrician
> would tell you. They come with significant recognized risk,
> including seizure and death. If a child has a seizure or dies, the
> parents are legally restricted from in any way prosecuting the drug
> manufacturer for their product. (drug lobbies)
>
> I expect to be accused of fear-mongering or conspiracy hunting, but
> I simply believe that accountablity and thorough research is called
> for when we are talking about an epidemic (and autism is certainly
> at epidemic rates now).
>
> I also don't accept that autism is simply more readily diagnosed
> now. Growing up in the 60's and going to public schools, we
> certainly never knew children who had autistic symptoms
> (undiagnosed). Now we frequently know or hear of families who have
> an autistic child. The rate has increased in the last 20 years by
> 2000%. This is not simply because it is now diagnosed.
>
> One more thought, ingesting mercury (through eating tuna, etc.) has
> a different effect on the body than injecting it into the
> bloodstream. Also, since everyone is different and grown bodies are
> significantly different than infant ones, the effects again, are
> going to vary.
>
> Pam
>
>
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Linda - Pacifica on mon 4 dec 06
I gotta step in here.
1. The pharmaceutical industry is the single most heavily regulated industry in the country. Doesn't mean bad stuff doesn't happen, as we've learned in recent years, but it's heavily regulated. It may be the only industry where people down to the manager level (even lower) can go to jail for years for not following the regs, called GMPs or Good Manufacturing Practices (see US law Code of Federal Regulations, Part 21). People have gone to jail even when they personally had no knowledge of the bad things their folks were doing. It's been assumed that the management sets the culture that allows it to happen. If the same rules were applied to other industries, Ford, for instance, would have been bankrupted by the Pinto.
2. There's research and there's research; there are PhDs and there are PhDs. They're not all created equal and frankly if you don't know the field and understand the science, it's often difficult to tell whether that research you've read has any validity. Unfortunately, not all science reporters are very good either. Gina Kolata of the NYT is pretty reliable.
3. Statistics DO make a difference and following good research practices will yield results that give one a high confidence that the data, the results are correct. That's why anecdotal reports are unreliable. You need lots of data to prove something with a 99.5% confidence, which is a typical target
4. I'm not disagreeing that something crazy has happened to cause the increase in autism, but I don't think the evidence is there that it's from ethylmercury.
5. There is good information on this website: http://www.healing-arts.org/children/vaccines/index.htm#return
We're all hoping for a quick resolution, but not taking vaccinations is a huge public health risk. Whooping cough is making a comeback and is a real killer.
Linda Ferzoco
Pacifica, California
On Monday, December 04, 2006, at 10:45AM, "Pamela Regentin" wrote:
>claystevslat wrote:
>>As it happens, though, there's virtually no evidence that there's
>>a connection between immunizations and vaccinations -- with or
>>without thiomerosal -- and Alzheimers, autism, etc.
>
>>The apparent correlation between the reported rates of autism
>>and widespread mercury use was based on chronology -- autism >became
>>much more widely diagnosed following the near-universality of DPT
>>innoculations in the '80's.
>I have to disagree that there is "virtually no evidence." There is a tremendous amount of research and published information (by Phds btw) (again - the book I recommended) that is being pushed aside and explained away. There is no excuse for not looking at this closer when the effects are so devastating. Keep in mind that the drug industry is a (unregulated) multi-billion dollar industry (which results in significant power and control) and if any connection were officially recognized it would cost them. They even have legal protection already in place. Vaccinations are not "probably benign" (as a previous poster said) as any pediatrician would tell you. They come with significant recognized risk, including seizure and death. If a child has a seizure or dies, the parents are legally restricted from in any way prosecuting the drug manufacturer for their product. (drug lobbies)
>
>I expect to be accused of fear-mongering or conspiracy hunting, but I simply believe that accountablity and thorough research is called for when we are talking about an epidemic (and autism is certainly at epidemic rates now).
>
>I also don't accept that autism is simply more readily diagnosed now. Growing up in the 60's and going to public schools, we certainly never knew children who had autistic symptoms (undiagnosed). Now we frequently know or hear of families who have an autistic child. The rate has increased in the last 20 years by 2000%. This is not simply because it is now diagnosed.
>
>One more thought, ingesting mercury (through eating tuna, etc.) has a different effect on the body than injecting it into the bloodstream. Also, since everyone is different and grown bodies are significantly different than infant ones, the effects again, are going to vary.
>
>Pam
>
>
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John Rodgers on mon 4 dec 06
Pam, and all......
I cannot help but remember the denials of the tobacco companies
regarding what they had done with cigarettes. The pharmaceutical
companies are so thoroughly entrenched and in bed with congress and the
medical community that they simply aren't to be trusted. NEVER take what
their management tells you without taking several grains of salt along
with it. There is usually enough literature published somewhere that you
can educate yourself as self protection against misleading information.
The issue of the themerasol as preservative is a case in point. There is
a whole raft of drugs out there that have been put out as being safe and
it turns out they are not. Lots of law suits have ensued. The sad part
is that the lawsuits occur after the damage has been done.
Pharmaceutical companies are motivated by profit, not altruism. So,
like it or not, we the public has best keep an eye on them.
If you really cast about with a critical eye, you will find that we the
public are being manipulated all the time, being mined for the almighty
dollar. Example, right now in my area gas prices have gone up $0.20/gal
since just before Thanksgiving. There is no reason for it. The increase
is related to the fact that we have moved into the holiday travel
season. As Christmas approaches it will go up more. There is plenty of
fuel so the argument about supply and demand doesn't hold water. We the
public pay a lot more for medications under the same brand name that
those same drugs under the same name in other countries. And it doesn't
have anything to do with the exchange rate.
Manipulation to generate dollars is the name of the game. Not the
discovery of a new medicine for the benefit of mankind. There are a
whole slew of diseases out there for which there is no medicine research
being done because the number of cases are so low as to be unable to
generate enough money on a new medication. Sadly, the name of the game
is capitalism, and money ahead of all else is what make a capitalistic
society run.
Doing ones research BEFORE any non-reversible action is take is crucial
for self protection. Otherwise you may be caught flatfooted by something
really negative that you can't handle. I'll never forget my first foray
into doing my own research. Years ago, sometime after I was first
prescribed a medication for hypertension, I had gone back in to see my
doctor. I have this intellectual curiosity that drives me so I asked if
he had any literature on the development of the medication he had
prescribed. I was lead to a room where there were rows and rows of
medical books, and he pulled one down and said find the medication in
this book and it will tell all you want to know. Chemical makeup,
formula, trials, animals on which it was tested, and the response. It
was all very interesting -- but near the end, some print popped off the
page and hit me square between the eyes. The drug had been tested on
three male dogs. Result: three dogs with atrophied testicles!!!
Well, I hardly wanted to take that medication any more! I learned a long
time ago that if chances are 1 in 1000 of something bad happening, but
you are that one, that is one too many!
You simply must keep your eyes and ears open, and ask a lot of questions.
Along with the hypertension, I was diagnosed as having Type II diabetes.
I was prescribed the standard treatment for non-insulin dependent
diabetes. So I am going along with my medications for both, and I start
having severe leg cramping. Well, having a background in human biology,
anatomy and physiology, I kinda figured it out for myself - not enough
potassium and calcium. Started on multi-vitamins and the problem went
away immediately. But I noted that no one had ever said a word about
that problem being related to the medication stripping me of minerals.
But I learned. And once I did, my reading and research expanded into
diabetes as well. The further I got into it, the more I realized that
the medical profession has a communication problem. I discovered I had a
number of medications that were stripping me of minerals - I was losing
Potassium, Magnesium, Chromium, and my glucophage for the diabetes was
making me gain weight. The disturbing thing was that none of this had
been discussed by my physician. I have brought some of this stuff up and
I just get blank stares. So what I learned is that there are a lot of
holes in medical knowledge that the doctors have, and you had better be
prepared to help him do his job by doing some study yourself. AND, be
aware that if it's not in his little book of how-to's, or on his pill
list, he can't help you. It's in your ball park. Help him help you by
educating yourself.
Things I learned = replace lost potassium with a multivitamin, replace
lost magnesium with MagOx tablet, replace lost or low chromium with
Chromium Picolinate. Increase insulin receptor site sensitivity with 6
grams (1-1/4 tsp) cinnamon daily. Lower blood pressure with 10 oz glass
of fresh celery juice (include juice of one whole carrot). I dug all
this up myself. Point: keep your eyes and ears open. Protect yourself
with knowledge.
John Rodgers
Chelsea, AL
Pamela Regentin wrote:
> claystevslat wrote:
>
>> As it happens, though, there's virtually no evidence that there's
>> a connection between immunizations and vaccinations -- with or
>> without thiomerosal -- and Alzheimers, autism, etc.
>>
>
>
>> The apparent correlation between the reported rates of autism
>> and widespread mercury use was based on chronology -- autism >became
>> much more widely diagnosed following the near-universality of DPT
>> innoculations in the '80's.
>>
> I have to disagree that there is "virtually no evidence." There is a tremendous amount of research and published information (by Phds btw) (again - the book I recommended) that is being pushed aside and explained away. There is no excuse for not looking at this closer when the effects are so devastating. Keep in mind that the drug industry is a (unregulated) multi-billion dollar industry (which results in significant power and control) and if any connection were officially recognized it would cost them. They even have legal protection already in place. Vaccinations are not "probably benign" (as a previous poster said) as any pediatrician would tell you. They come with significant recognized risk, including seizure and death. If a child has a seizure or dies, the parents are legally restricted from in any way prosecuting the drug manufacturer for their product. (drug lobbies)
>
> I expect to be accused of fear-mongering or conspiracy hunting, but I simply believe that accountablity and thorough research is called for when we are talking about an epidemic (and autism is certainly at epidemic rates now).
>
> I also don't accept that autism is simply more readily diagnosed now. Growing up in the 60's and going to public schools, we certainly never knew children who had autistic symptoms (undiagnosed). Now we frequently know or hear of families who have an autistic child. The rate has increased in the last 20 years by 2000%. This is not simply because it is now diagnosed.
>
> One more thought, ingesting mercury (through eating tuna, etc.) has a different effect on the body than injecting it into the bloodstream. Also, since everyone is different and grown bodies are significantly different than infant ones, the effects again, are going to vary.
>
> Pam
>
>
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Pamela Regentin on mon 4 dec 06
Fantastic post, John.
John Rodgers wrote: Pam, and all......
I cannot help but remember the denials of the tobacco companies
regarding what they had done with cigarettes. The pharmaceutical
companies are so thoroughly entrenched and in bed with congress and the
medical community that they simply aren't to be trusted. NEVER take what
their management tells you without taking several grains of salt along
with it. There is usually enough literature published somewhere that you
can educate yourself as self protection against misleading information.
The issue of the themerasol as preservative is a case in point. There is
a whole raft of drugs out there that have been put out as being safe and
it turns out they are not. Lots of law suits have ensued. The sad part
is that the lawsuits occur after the damage has been done.
Pharmaceutical companies are motivated by profit, not altruism. So,
like it or not, we the public has best keep an eye on them.
If you really cast about with a critical eye, you will find that we the
public are being manipulated all the time, being mined for the almighty
dollar. Example, right now in my area gas prices have gone up $0.20/gal
since just before Thanksgiving. There is no reason for it. The increase
is related to the fact that we have moved into the holiday travel
season. As Christmas approaches it will go up more. There is plenty of
fuel so the argument about supply and demand doesn't hold water. We the
public pay a lot more for medications under the same brand name that
those same drugs under the same name in other countries. And it doesn't
have anything to do with the exchange rate.
Manipulation to generate dollars is the name of the game. Not the
discovery of a new medicine for the benefit of mankind. There are a
whole slew of diseases out there for which there is no medicine research
being done because the number of cases are so low as to be unable to
generate enough money on a new medication. Sadly, the name of the game
is capitalism, and money ahead of all else is what make a capitalistic
society run.
Doing ones research BEFORE any non-reversible action is take is crucial
for self protection. Otherwise you may be caught flatfooted by something
really negative that you can't handle. I'll never forget my first foray
into doing my own research. Years ago, sometime after I was first
prescribed a medication for hypertension, I had gone back in to see my
doctor. I have this intellectual curiosity that drives me so I asked if
he had any literature on the development of the medication he had
prescribed. I was lead to a room where there were rows and rows of
medical books, and he pulled one down and said find the medication in
this book and it will tell all you want to know. Chemical makeup,
formula, trials, animals on which it was tested, and the response. It
was all very interesting -- but near the end, some print popped off the
page and hit me square between the eyes. The drug had been tested on
three male dogs. Result: three dogs with atrophied testicles!!!
Well, I hardly wanted to take that medication any more! I learned a long
time ago that if chances are 1 in 1000 of something bad happening, but
you are that one, that is one too many!
You simply must keep your eyes and ears open, and ask a lot of questions.
Along with the hypertension, I was diagnosed as having Type II diabetes.
I was prescribed the standard treatment for non-insulin dependent
diabetes. So I am going along with my medications for both, and I start
having severe leg cramping. Well, having a background in human biology,
anatomy and physiology, I kinda figured it out for myself - not enough
potassium and calcium. Started on multi-vitamins and the problem went
away immediately. But I noted that no one had ever said a word about
that problem being related to the medication stripping me of minerals.
But I learned. And once I did, my reading and research expanded into
diabetes as well. The further I got into it, the more I realized that
the medical profession has a communication problem. I discovered I had a
number of medications that were stripping me of minerals - I was losing
Potassium, Magnesium, Chromium, and my glucophage for the diabetes was
making me gain weight. The disturbing thing was that none of this had
been discussed by my physician. I have brought some of this stuff up and
I just get blank stares. So what I learned is that there are a lot of
holes in medical knowledge that the doctors have, and you had better be
prepared to help him do his job by doing some study yourself. AND, be
aware that if it's not in his little book of how-to's, or on his pill
list, he can't help you. It's in your ball park. Help him help you by
educating yourself.
Things I learned = replace lost potassium with a multivitamin, replace
lost magnesium with MagOx tablet, replace lost or low chromium with
Chromium Picolinate. Increase insulin receptor site sensitivity with 6
grams (1-1/4 tsp) cinnamon daily. Lower blood pressure with 10 oz glass
of fresh celery juice (include juice of one whole carrot). I dug all
this up myself. Point: keep your eyes and ears open. Protect yourself
with knowledge.
John Rodgers
Chelsea, AL
Pamela Regentin wrote:
> claystevslat wrote:
>
>> As it happens, though, there's virtually no evidence that there's
>> a connection between immunizations and vaccinations -- with or
>> without thiomerosal -- and Alzheimers, autism, etc.
>>
>
>
>> The apparent correlation between the reported rates of autism
>> and widespread mercury use was based on chronology -- autism >became
>> much more widely diagnosed following the near-universality of DPT
>> innoculations in the '80's.
>>
> I have to disagree that there is "virtually no evidence." There is a tremendous amount of research and published information (by Phds btw) (again - the book I recommended) that is being pushed aside and explained away. There is no excuse for not looking at this closer when the effects are so devastating. Keep in mind that the drug industry is a (unregulated) multi-billion dollar industry (which results in significant power and control) and if any connection were officially recognized it would cost them. They even have legal protection already in place. Vaccinations are not "probably benign" (as a previous poster said) as any pediatrician would tell you. They come with significant recognized risk, including seizure and death. If a child has a seizure or dies, the parents are legally restricted from in any way prosecuting the drug manufacturer for their product. (drug lobbies)
>
> I expect to be accused of fear-mongering or conspiracy hunting, but I simply believe that accountablity and thorough research is called for when we are talking about an epidemic (and autism is certainly at epidemic rates now).
>
> I also don't accept that autism is simply more readily diagnosed now. Growing up in the 60's and going to public schools, we certainly never knew children who had autistic symptoms (undiagnosed). Now we frequently know or hear of families who have an autistic child. The rate has increased in the last 20 years by 2000%. This is not simply because it is now diagnosed.
>
> One more thought, ingesting mercury (through eating tuna, etc.) has a different effect on the body than injecting it into the bloodstream. Also, since everyone is different and grown bodies are significantly different than infant ones, the effects again, are going to vary.
>
> Pam
>
>
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claystevslat on tue 5 dec 06
Pam --
Note what I wrote in my previous message. I'm no fan of the
pharmaceutical industry, but the facts are that there are no
clear links.
There are lots of things where statistical evidence, over time,
makes something pretty clear to us. The recently published book
on John Snow, who worked out the correlation between cholera
and water (can't remember the name now) is a good example of
this. The (extremely old) book "Eleven Blue Men" is another,
and in spite of its age is well worth reading.
In the US in the '40's and '50's we used to get 20,000 or so
serious cases of paralytic polio per year, with thousands of
deaths per year. Serious side effects from the immunization
are on the order of one in one and a half million individuals.
Widespread application of the vaccine in the US dates from the mid
50's; there's no corresponding event in terms of other diseases or
symptoms appearing at the same time.
Influenza is the cause of death of approximately 35,000 Americans
each year, and is responsible for 200,000 hospital admissions.
If your body can take the shot, it's a good bet, given the small
number of cases of people getting serious cases of the flu who
have the shot each year, vs. the number of side effects.
Remember the Ford Administration (OK, I'm dating myself again)
and the swine flu? There was a year of exceptionally heavy
innoculation, and the most severe side-effect, Guillian Barre
syndrome, was estimated to have occurred at most an additional
one person per million who were innoculated. People stopped
taking flu vaccines for a decade after that, and the flu will
actually kill you ... see above.
(Remember, some of these vaccines are egg-grown and may not be
recommended for people with egg, poultry, or feather allergies.)
I read the Kirby book on this when it came out, some year ago.
It was excellent writing, but underneath it, no facts -- just
isolated incidents. The book on childhood vaccinations by
S. Cave is similarly disappointing -- these books are big on
telling you about one bright, healthy child who was vaccinated
and then this and that happened, but the correlation should
be in the statistics, and they don't cover that. (What they're
doing in these books is an extended version of the "Post hoc,
ergo propter hoc" logical fallacy.)
One issue we should look at is concentration of mercury in
vaccines over time. The concentration has been going down
quite profoundly in most vaccines since the early '90's.
So what's happened with diagnoses of autism? Still climbing.
A similar comparison can be made to reports of child dyslexia.
Dyslexics, formerly known as 'slow readers' or just plain
'dummies.' Now we diagnose even marginal cases, and this
inflates the appearance of the problem (which I don't diminish
in any way; I'm a dyslexic myself).
Like I said in my first message, Hg is bad stuff, and should
be avoided. Childhood vaccinations are one of the two great
medical advances of the last 500 years, though (the other is
the germ theory of infection) and save many thousands of lives
each year.
-- Steve Slatin
--- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, Pamela Regentin
wrote:
>
> claystevslat wrote:
> >As it happens, though, there's virtually no evidence that there's
> >a connection between immunizations and vaccinations -- with or
> >without thiomerosal -- and Alzheimers, autism, etc.
>
> >The apparent correlation between the reported rates of autism
> >and widespread mercury use was based on chronology -- autism
>became
> >much more widely diagnosed following the near-universality of DPT
> >innoculations in the '80's.
> I have to disagree that there is "virtually no evidence." There
is a tremendous amount of research and published information (by
Phds btw) (again - the book I recommended) that is being pushed
aside and explained away. There is no excuse for not looking at this
closer when the effects are so devastating. Keep in mind that the
drug industry is a (unregulated) multi-billion dollar industry
(which results in significant power and control) and if any
connection were officially recognized it would cost them. They even
have legal protection already in place. Vaccinations are
not "probably benign" (as a previous poster said) as any
pediatrician would tell you. They come with significant recognized
risk, including seizure and death. If a child has a seizure or dies,
the parents are legally restricted from in any way prosecuting the
drug manufacturer for their product. (drug lobbies)
>
> I expect to be accused of fear-mongering or conspiracy hunting,
but I simply believe that accountablity and thorough research is
called for when we are talking about an epidemic (and autism is
certainly at epidemic rates now).
>
> I also don't accept that autism is simply more readily diagnosed
now. Growing up in the 60's and going to public schools, we
certainly never knew children who had autistic symptoms
(undiagnosed). Now we frequently know or hear of families who have
an autistic child. The rate has increased in the last 20 years by
2000%. This is not simply because it is now diagnosed.
>
> One more thought, ingesting mercury (through eating tuna, etc.)
has a different effect on the body than injecting it into the
bloodstream. Also, since everyone is different and grown bodies are
significantly different than infant ones, the effects again, are
going to vary.
>
> Pam
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