Pat Beckwith on mon 15 jan 07
e-bay has Grand Feu Ceramics by Taxile Doat, translated by Samual E.
Robineau, Syracuse, New York 1905
Item number: 230079177760
Don Goodrich on tue 16 jan 07
Thanks Pat,
And for those who don't care to buy that lovely book for
the auction price, it's worth mentioning that the entire thing
is available online as a PDF from Google:
http://books.google.com/books?ie=ISO-8859-
1&hl=en&vid=OCLC01939167&id=OEU7m5UjgLQC&lpg=PA3&pg=PA1&printsec=3
As always, be sure to copy that whole address if it doesn't
all show up as a clickable link. Or, you could use the following:
http://tinyurl.com/ct6tb
Good reading to y'all,
Don Goodrich
http://dongoodrichpottery,com/
WJ Seidl on wed 17 jan 07
Pat and all. I almost choked on my coffee when I saw the asking price!
And here we were, giving copies away for free on CD last NCECA.
Another mi$$ed opportunity .
Best,
Wayne Seidl
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From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Don Goodrich
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:01 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: 1905 "Grand Feu Ceramics" book on e-bay
Thanks Pat,
And for those who don't care to buy that lovely book for
the auction price, it's worth mentioning that the entire thing
is available online as a PDF from Google:
http://books.google.com/books?ie=ISO-8859-
1&hl=en&vid=OCLC01939167&id=OEU7m5UjgLQC&lpg=PA3&pg=PA1&printsec=3
As always, be sure to copy that whole address if it doesn't
all show up as a clickable link. Or, you could use the following:
http://tinyurl.com/ct6tb
Good reading to y'all,
Don Goodrich
http://dongoodrichpottery,com/
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Johanna De Maine on thu 18 jan 07
Hello Don
I have tried to get this PDF before but I can't seem to do it. I get the
site showing the book along with related books but I can't seem to find a
way in to a PDF. I am using Mozilla . Could this be my problem?
Johanna De Maine
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From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Don Goodrich
Sent: Wednesday, 17 January 2007 10:01 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: 1905 "Grand Feu Ceramics" book on e-bay
Thanks Pat,
And for those who don't care to buy that lovely book for
the auction price, it's worth mentioning that the entire thing
is available online as a PDF from Google:
http://books.google.com/books?ie=ISO-8859-
1&hl=en&vid=OCLC01939167&id=OEU7m5UjgLQC&lpg=PA3&pg=PA1&printsec=3
As always, be sure to copy that whole address if it doesn't
all show up as a clickable link. Or, you could use the following:
http://tinyurl.com/ct6tb
Good reading to y'all,
Don Goodrich
http://dongoodrichpottery,com/
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Maurice Weitman on thu 18 jan 07
At 20:03 +1000 on 1/18/07, Johanna De Maine wrote:
>I have tried to get this PDF before but I can't seem to do it. I get the
>site showing the book along with related books but I can't seem to find a
>way in to a PDF. I am using Mozilla . Could this be my problem?
Hello, Johanna,
Try this direct link to the PDF file:
(http://books.google.com/books/pdf/Grand_Feu_Ceramics.pdf?vid=OCLC01939167&id=OEU7m5UjgLQC&output=pdf&sig=AYnDht-FTfiOpTRhAPXwabsRUEY)
Depending on how your Mozilla is configured, you may need to do
something like right-click on the link to download it if clicking on
it directly doesn't work.
(I say right-click since it appears you are using a Windows
machine... if that's not the case and you -- or others eavesdropping
on our conversation -- are an enlightened Mac user, you should use
control-click.)
After you've downloaded the file, you should be able to open it
directly in Adobe's readers.
Let me know if that works for you, please, by sending me an email directly.
Thanks.
Regards,
Maurice
karen gringhuis on thu 18 jan 07
Using Don's google site and Firefox, I found the book
and downloaded it with no trouble but with total
amazement. Never did anything like this before.
I'd heard of this technology but its implications are
so huge it boggles the mind! Are we supposed to thank
a given library for the man-hours to input books?
Karen Gringhuis
KG Pottery
Box 607 Alfred NY 14802
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Maurice Weitman on sat 20 jan 07
At 12:11 -0800 on 1/18/07, karen gringhuis wrote:
>Using Don's google site and Firefox, I found the book
>and downloaded it with no trouble but with total
>amazement. Never did anything like this before.
>
>I'd heard of this technology but its implications are
>so huge it boggles the mind! Are we supposed to thank
>a given library for the man-hours to input books?
Hi, Karen,
We should thank the libraries for allowing Google to do it, but I
believe all the labor and expense is borne by Google. I read about
the process they use a while back... now it's a blur, but I think
they actually take apart the book (to be able to scan it more
clearly) and then rebind it.
Many of these books will continue to disintegrate, and this process
is saving them for future generations and making their content
available to many more people than would be the case otherwise.
Some people look at Google as an upcoming evil empire, but with very
few exceptions, they are doing wonderful, innovative, exciting stuff.
Like Google Earth.
Regards,
Maurice
Tony on sun 21 jan 07
Google doesnt take the book apart, rather they have designed and built a
machine, perhaps a series of machines, that scans a double page and then
turns to the next pair of pages, scanning these in turn, etc till the book
is complete.
As for the ethics of what they are doing, Google has no regard for the
copyright ownership still enjoyed by the original owner or their successors.
Kind of like someone reproducing a pottery piece exactly and not
ackowledging the original creator when selling the reproduction.
Tony Schlosser
Sydney
Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Maurice Weitman"
To:
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: 1905 "Grand Feu Ceramics" book on e-bay
> At 12:11 -0800 on 1/18/07, karen gringhuis wrote:
> >Using Don's google site and Firefox, I found the book
> >and downloaded it with no trouble but with total
> >amazement. Never did anything like this before.
> >
> >I'd heard of this technology but its implications are
> >so huge it boggles the mind! Are we supposed to thank
> >a given library for the man-hours to input books?
>
> Hi, Karen,
>
> We should thank the libraries for allowing Google to do it, but I
> believe all the labor and expense is borne by Google. I read about
> the process they use a while back... now it's a blur, but I think
> they actually take apart the book (to be able to scan it more
> clearly) and then rebind it.
>
> Many of these books will continue to disintegrate, and this process
> is saving them for future generations and making their content
> available to many more people than would be the case otherwise.
>
> Some people look at Google as an upcoming evil empire, but with very
> few exceptions, they are doing wonderful, innovative, exciting stuff.
> Like Google Earth.
>
> Regards,
> Maurice
>
>
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Kathy Forer on sun 21 jan 07
On Jan 21, 2007, at 4:35 AM, Tony wrote:
> As for the ethics of what they are doing, Google has no regard for the
> copyright ownership still enjoyed by the original owner or their
> successors.
Google has an "Opt out, or else" policy for the Google Print program.
Not the same as complete disregard of copyright though still quite
controversial and legally questionable.
The Print Program has two components, one for publishers
and one for libraries. Under the Google Publisher
Program, the company is working with book publishers to
make titles searchable and easy to purchase. The search
result pages include advertisements if publishers want
them, and most of the revenue goes to the publishers,
Google said.
The controversial part of the Print Program, which has
prompted two lawsuits so far, is the Print Library
Project. Under the Library Project, the search giant is
scanning, digitizing and making searchable parts or all
of the collections from Stanford University, Harvard
University, Oxford University, the University of
Michigan and The New York Public Library.
Google says it will scan copyright protected books from
libraries unless the publisher or copyright holder
expressly opts out. If the book is copyright protected,
there is minimal text, only a few sentences, or
"snippets," surrounding the keywords searched. There are
no ads on Google Library Project pages.
For more see: http://news.com.com/Googles+battle+over+library+books/
2100-1025_3-5907506.html
--
Kathy Forer
www.foreverink.com
Don Goodrich on sun 21 jan 07
Maybe, Tony, but if Google's summary of the project is to be believed,
http://books.google.com/googlebooks/library.html
they do respect the copyrights. Supposedly, only books whose
copyrights have expired are available online in their entirety.
Google provides some excerpts from copyrighted books, as well as
links to dealers and libraries where those books may be obtained.
If you know of any copyright infringements, good luck in
remedying them.
Don Goodrich
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:35:02 +1100, Tony wrote, in
part:
>As for the ethics of what they are doing, Google has no regard for the
>copyright ownership still enjoyed by the original owner or their
successors.
>
>Kind of like someone reproducing a pottery piece exactly and not
>ackowledging the original creator when selling the reproduction.
>
>Tony Schlosser
>Sydney
>Australia
Lee Love on mon 22 jan 07
On 1/22/07, Don Goodrich wrote:
> If you know of any copyright infringements, good luck in
> remedying them.
Good way to preserve knowledge for the future. It is like the
digitizing of the film archives that are melting.
Look at the Dead Sea Scrolls. They disintegrated in less
than a couple thousand years.
--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
http://potters.blogspot.com/
"Let the beauty we love be what we do." - Rumi
"When we all do better. We ALL do better." -Paul Wellstone
Lee Love on mon 22 jan 07
On 1/21/07, Tony wrote:
> Google doesnt take the book apart,
I think they take it apart. Look at this cover of Stephen
Mitchell's Tao Te Ching. The upper left-hand corner of the cover is
bent back, so it is obviously not attached to the book:
http://tinyurl.com/2b57da
--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
http://potters.blogspot.com/
"Let the beauty we love be what we do." - Rumi
"When we all do better. We ALL do better." -Paul Wellstone
Tony on mon 22 jan 07
Perhaps there are some books that through partnerships with publishers,
current books may be scanned via unbound or even debound copies.
However, I wouldn't think that prestigious institutions such as Harvard
Library and New York Public Library would want their volumes ripped apart
(see additional pages behind the link that Lee in Mashiko provided).
>
> I think they take it apart. Look at this cover of Stephen
> Mitchell's Tao Te Ching. The upper left-hand corner of the cover is
> bent back, so it is obviously not attached to the book:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2b57da
>
> --
> Lee in Mashiko, Japan
> Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
> http://potters.blogspot.com/
> "Let the beauty we love be what we do." - Rumi
> "When we all do better. We ALL do better." -Paul Wellstone
>
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