John Rodgers on sat 3 feb 07
Chris,
Lots of bubble wrap - but in my experience stay away from the foam
peanuts. No matter what you do, they will shift.
I used to ship large boxes of delicate porcelain figurines from Alaska
all down into the lower 48 states. After some bad experiences with UPS
and then FedEx, it was found that shipping via USPS priority mail took
care of the problem. It was fast enough, and surprisiningly, the postal
service did a really good job of delivery without breakage for the most
part.
The trick for the figurines was to wrap in bubble wrap, then pack the
box with tightly wadded news-print. THAT is what prevented things from
moving around in the box. Figurines and pottery that is not adequately
supported physically by some method will shift in the box, given all the
jiggle and wiggle that occurs during shipping. Peanuts don't get it done.
God luck, and good packing!
Regards,
John Rodgers
Chelsea, AL
Chris Groat wrote:
> What's the best way to ship a whole bunch of pottery? I've got to send
> some things to Austin Texas from NC. There will be:
>
> 12 bowls
> 12 big plates
> 12 small plates
> 12 cups
> 12 chalices
> 2 casseroles
> 2 platters
> 1 chip and dip
> 1 large jug
>
> I'd imagine it's pretty straight forward, just a whole bunch of bubble
> wrap and packing nuts. I just wanted to see if anyone had any bright ideas
> that would perhaps make this easier, and ensure little to no breakage.
>
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Chris Groat on sat 3 feb 07
What's the best way to ship a whole bunch of pottery? I've got to send
some things to Austin Texas from NC. There will be:
12 bowls
12 big plates
12 small plates
12 cups
12 chalices
2 casseroles
2 platters
1 chip and dip
1 large jug
I'd imagine it's pretty straight forward, just a whole bunch of bubble
wrap and packing nuts. I just wanted to see if anyone had any bright ideas
that would perhaps make this easier, and ensure little to no breakage.
Kathi LeSueur on sat 3 feb 07
Chris Groat wrote:
>What's the best way to ship a whole bunch of pottery? I've got to send
>some things to Austin Texas from NC. There will be:
>
>12 bowls
>12 big plates
>12 small plates
>12 cups
>12 chalices
>2 casseroles
>2 platters
>1 chip and dip
>1 large jug
>
>I'd imagine it's pretty straight forward, just a whole bunch of bubble
>wrap and packing nuts. I just wanted to see if anyone had any bright ideas
>that would perhaps make this easier, and ensure little to no breakage.
>
>
>
>
1.For the cups and chalices take boxes and make dividers to fit in them
. Wrap those in bubble wrap and place in each slot. Fill any open space
with peanuts. Take another box that is at least two inches bigger all
around. Put two inches of peanuts in the bottom. Place a piece of
cardboard over the peanuts. Put the small box in the bigger one and
surround it with peanuts. I usually place a piece of cardboard over the
smaller box and then add peanuts to the top. Peanuts have a way of
shifting around and this helps to keep them in place doing their job.
2. For the bowls I would again make dividers for the box. You can
probably nest two bowls with bubble between them. Then wrap the two with
bubble and place between dividers. Fill in with peanuts and double box.
3 For the plates, you should be able to stack four of them with bubble
in between each and then wrap the whole stack. Place in the box
standing upright. They are less likely to break this way. Dividers
between each stack. Double box.
4. Place each casserole wrapped in bubble in its own box filled with
peanuts. Same with the jug. You should be able to combine these in one
box with lots of peanuts to cushion.
5. I ship platters wrapped in bubble (lots of it) and placed on edge
with dividers in between. If possible, I find a box they will fit in and
then use that as the inner box.
Double boxing is essential to have everything arrive safely. Dividers
help keep things from moving in the box. They keep peanuts from
shifting. Pots break in shipment when they can move in the box. Make
sure they can't.
Good luck.
Kathi
WJ Seidl on sat 3 feb 07
Chris:
Individual boxes, packed as you mentioned.
I once shipped a load (12 pieces) of Pyrex from one house to another. Two
layers of bubble wrap in between all the pieces, packed securely with foam
peanuts, double boxed.
Every single piece broke. Thank you UPS.
From then on it was individual pieces, in double boxes. Yeah, it costs
more. How much is your time worth dealing with an insurance claim?
Mel is correct. Do it right, do it once. It's in the archives.
Best,
Wayne Seidl
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To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Shipping A LOT of pottery!
What's the best way to ship a whole bunch of pottery? I've got to send
some things to Austin Texas from NC. There will be:
12 bowls
12 big plates
12 small plates
12 cups
12 chalices
2 casseroles
2 platters
1 chip and dip
1 large jug
I'd imagine it's pretty straight forward, just a whole bunch of bubble
wrap and packing nuts. I just wanted to see if anyone had any bright ideas
that would perhaps make this easier, and ensure little to no breakage.
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Lee Love on sun 4 feb 07
I should add:
before I put bubble packed pots into a box, I line the box with bubble pack.
--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
http://potters.blogspot.com/
"Let the beauty we love be what we do." - Rumi
"When we all do better. We ALL do better." -Paul Wellstone
Lee Love on sun 4 feb 07
Chris,
I have been shipping overseas for some time now. First,
with my teacher's work during my apprenticeship but the last 3 or 4
years, my own work. Not only pieces through internet sales, but also
th Northern Clay Center, where I am a sales shop artist and also in
their Holiday and American Pottery Festival sales. You can see my
work there in Minneapolis.
Shimaoka had the number one best way: styrofoam paper,
wooden box, wooden box wrapped in paper, bubble pack around the box,
put in a large cardboard box with similarly wrapped pieces that is
lined with bubble pack.
I don't put most things in wooden boxes, so I use bubble
pack. If you have heavy items, isolate them by wrapping cardboard
around them to make a cover. Doesn't have to be a proper box. Or,
with things like platters, wrap them in a double coat of bubble pack,
put them in the bottom, with a piece of cardboard on top before you
put other bubble packed pots on top of it. You can always stick in a
section of cardboard to separate hard from fragile things.
I also worked in damages and re-wrap for UPS for many years
during college. Work that is properly packed should be able to
survive a drop from shoulder height because of the conveyor, slide and
roller systems and the fact that boxes are stacked over 7 foot high.
--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
http://potters.blogspot.com/
"Let the beauty we love be what we do." - Rumi
"When we all do better. We ALL do better." -Paul Wellstone
Vicki Hardin on sun 4 feb 07
What I learned from unpacking another potter's work was to pack grocery bags
filled with small amounts of peanuts around the pots that are first bubble
wrapped. This allows you to mold them around the form and there is less
shifting. It also helps control those peanuts that want to go everywhere
when the piece is being unpacked. After this, I pack one box inside another.
I think double boxing is the best insurance you can get.
Cheers!
Vicki Hardin
ClayArtWebGuide.com
Jennifer Boyer on sun 4 feb 07
Hi All,
I don't double box, but I do create a 2-3 inch layer of material
against outside of the box. I line the bottom with egg cartons
covered by a layer of cardboard. Then I put a double layer of fruit/
veggie purple cardboard separators against the box sides. After the
bubble wrapped pots are packed in, a double layer of separators goes
on top. My other rule is that if there is more than one layer of pots
in a box, I put a cardboard divider between the layers. it's also
good to create little cardboard separators between the bubble wrapped
pots if the boxes are being shipped a long way. Bowls can be nested,
but need about 3 inches of bubble wrap between.
Double boxing is great, but not if you are just throwing some packing
peanuts into the outer box: the inner box can shift, negating the
whole idea...If you are using them, you need to create some baffles
of cardboard so the inner box can't move, even if the peanuts shift.
Materials:
Years ago I got egg flats( they hold 3 dozen eggs I think and are
about 14"/14"/3" thick) from a local egg farm going out of business.
Those are GREAT. But I try not to pay for my packing materials, so
the veggie separators from my local coop took their place. I get
bubble wrap or foam sheeting from local boat dealers that carry
canoes and kayaks. The boats are shipped in sleeves about 20 feet
long. I use an electric meat knife(very handy for cutting all sorts
if things including card board) to cut them up into smaller sheets. I
include a printed sheet in the box explaining my practice of using
recycled materials for shipping. People understand, and in this day
and age, some folks probably love it! I know others believe in the
importance of making a good impression using new packing materials,
but I just can't go there...
Ahh, packing boxes to ship, the ART FORM.
Jennifer
This is a great idea by the way:
On Feb 4, 2007, at 8:16 AM, Vicki Hardin wrote:
> What I learned from unpacking another potter's work was to pack
> grocery bags
> filled with small amounts of peanuts around the pots that are first
> bubble
> wrapped. This allows you to mold them around the form and there is
> less
> shifting. It also helps control those peanuts that want to go
> everywhere
> when the piece is being unpacked. After this, I pack one box inside
> another.
> I think double boxing is the best insurance you can get.
>
> Cheers!
> Vicki Hardin
*****************************
Jennifer Boyer
Thistle Hill Pottery
Montpelier, VT
http://thistlehillpottery.com
*****************************
Brenda Funk on sun 4 feb 07
I double box this way:
I drink a lot of bottled water and save the bottles. After I pack the pots
into the inside box, tightly but with lots and lots of bubble wrap, I tape
the box shut. Then I use two empty but sealed water bottles per side, plus
top and bottom, and tape them right to the box with packing tape. Then I
put this padded box into a larger box with a snug fit that doesn't allow
movement. You can open the bottles to let some of the captured air out if
you need to squish the box in.
It doesn't look all that pretty, but it is neat, and effective.
Brenda
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Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 9:15 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Shipping A LOT of pottery!
peanuts into the outer box: the inner box can shift, negating the
whole idea...If you are using them, you need to create some baffles
of cardboard so the inner box can't move, even if the peanuts shift.
*****************************
Jennifer Boyer
Thistle Hill Pottery
Montpelier, VT
http://thistlehillpottery.com
*****************************
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fran johnson on sun 4 feb 07
In addition to grocery bags I use the sleeves
newspapers are delivered in. They make a log 3-4
inches across and the length of the bag.I keep a
supply on hand and fill as I get peanuts. If i need a
narrower width just remove some peanuts and squish out
any air, flatten and tie off. They don't shift.
Fran
--- Vicki Hardin wrote:
> What I learned from unpacking another potter's work
> was to pack grocery bags
> filled with small amounts of peanuts around the pots
> that are first bubble
> wrapped. This allows you to mold them around the
> form and there is less
> shifting. It also helps control those peanuts that
> want to go everywhere
> when the piece is being unpacked. After this, I pack
> one box inside another.
> I think double boxing is the best insurance you can
> get.
>
> Cheers!
> Vicki Hardin
> ClayArtWebGuide.com
>
>
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Bonnie Staffel on sun 4 feb 07
With that much money invested in your pottery, I would think you could
explore a place that does shrink-wrapping. Or go to the UPS Box store =
where
they ship for you. Is the customer paying or is it your penny? I =
shipped a
big pot to Texas from Michigan which was pit fired and very fragile. I =
took
it to the UPS Box store and they packed it in foam. It arrived safely =
but
costly to the customer. =20
My other suggestion to that given by Kathi is to pack it in a wooden =
crate
that is substantial. There will be a lot of weight involved in the
collection so I don't think a cardboard box will withstand the tossing
around on the conveyor belts very long.
Good luck. =20
Bonnie Staffel
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Fredrick Paget on sun 4 feb 07
After you get it all packed crate it up in a large palette size
wooden box. -One so heavy it has to be handled by fork lift . Then
ship it by truck. Those kind of containers are seldom dropped.
There is a great movie I ran across about Yixing pottery for bonsai
by Lindsley Farr It shows how the Chinese pack the big bonsai bowls
on palettes, also some dragon kiln scenes, etc.:
Video No. 9 is it.
Fred Paget
--
Twin Dragon Studio
Mill Valley, CA, USA
Chris Groat on sun 4 feb 07
"Is the customer paying or is it your penny?"
It's a gift for someone, so I am paying. You guys have provided me with a
wealth of information! I won't have to ship the pottery for about another
month, but when I pack it I will probably send several different packages.
Each box will probably be double boxed. I will separate each piece from
eachother using pieces of cardboard and lots of bubble wrap, foam, and
packing nuts. I will certainly go overboard when packing the pots. It's
worth it to avoid that feeling of your heart sinking down into your
stomach after seeing a box of broken pots. Somehow I just don't think that
UPS package insurance will ever really be able to replace a set of
handmade pottery.
Lois Ruben Aronow on sun 4 feb 07
Just a note: if you are shipping UPS, it MUST be double boxed, and it MUST
be packed according to their specific guidelines. Otherwise, they will not
reimburse on breakage.
..Lo
Lois Ruben Aronow Ceramics
232 Third Street - # B202A
Brooklyn, NY 11215
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Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 5:52 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Shipping A LOT of pottery!
"Is the customer paying or is it your penny?"
It's a gift for someone, so I am paying. You guys have provided me with a
wealth of information! I won't have to ship the pottery for about another
month, but when I pack it I will probably send several different packages.
Each box will probably be double boxed. I will separate each piece from
eachother using pieces of cardboard and lots of bubble wrap, foam, and
packing nuts. I will certainly go overboard when packing the pots. It's
worth it to avoid that feeling of your heart sinking down into your stomach
after seeing a box of broken pots. Somehow I just don't think that UPS
package insurance will ever really be able to replace a set of handmade
pottery.
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