Bunny Lemak on wed 21 feb 07
I cannot believe the article I just read on a pet site. It has pet owners
throwing out all their ceramic ware! It just burns my b_ _ _ when someone
gives out false information.
Here is the article:
Plastic Bowls- Painted Ceramic Bowls always put water in STAINLESS STEEL
or CLEAR GLASS BOWLS, Not plastic or ceramic! Plastic deteriorates no
matter how often you clean or change water. Research shows that when
plastic containers, such as cups and dishes are filled with water or other
liquids that they will gradually dissolve. This could be hazardous to your
pet's health. (from Dr. Michael Fox's column in the NY post) Email
questions to pets@nypost.com . Painted Ceramic Bowls even if glazed could
still lead to lead in your pets food or water. This is a tip for PEOPLE
TOO! Only use WHITE or clear glass. Never 'colors'! If the OUTSIDE of the
bowl is color it's fine but not the INSIDE. Even if 'glazed' the lead or
toxins from paint and colors can get into the food and water.
Any comments????
Bunny
Keba M Hitzeman on wed 21 feb 07
After Googling "ceramic bowls for pets" I found this from
http://www.quickfactscenter.com/abc/dallas/qfcArticle.cfm?topic=414:
"Many people pick ceramic bowls because they're heavy, which helps head off
the tip-over problem, and they often feature designs that complement your
doggie's decor. But watch what type of bowl you buy.
Some foreign-made ceramic bowls contain lead, which can contaminate the food
and water - and your dog when she eats and drinks from them. They also can
chip easily if your dog gets rowdy with her dish. So stick with ceramic
bowls made in North America."
Several listservs I saw had praise for ceramic bowls (especially over
plastic), and not one mentioned anything about leaching. And I've seen
ceramic pet bowls all over the place with decorations inside the bowls.
Maybe he wanted to focus on the whole no lead concept?
Kba
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-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Bunny Lemak
Sent: Wednesday, 21 February, 2007 14:25
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Dog/Cat food bowls article
I cannot believe the article I just read on a pet site. It has pet owners
throwing out all their ceramic ware! It just burns my b_ _ _ when someone
gives out false information.
Here is the article:
Plastic Bowls- Painted Ceramic Bowls always put water in STAINLESS STEEL
or CLEAR GLASS BOWLS, Not plastic or ceramic! Plastic deteriorates no
matter how often you clean or change water. Research shows that when
plastic containers, such as cups and dishes are filled with water or other
liquids that they will gradually dissolve. This could be hazardous to your
pet's health. (from Dr. Michael Fox's column in the NY post) Email
questions to pets@nypost.com . Painted Ceramic Bowls even if glazed could
still lead to lead in your pets food or water. This is a tip for PEOPLE
TOO! Only use WHITE or clear glass. Never 'colors'! If the OUTSIDE of the
bowl is color it's fine but not the INSIDE. Even if 'glazed' the lead or
toxins from paint and colors can get into the food and water.
Any comments????
Bunny
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pdp1@EARTHLINK.NET on thu 22 feb 07
Hi Keba, all,
"Made in USA" does not per-se mean anything at
all, since for one thing one may contract for
items to be made in red china, and elsewhere, and
for these items to have the phrase 'Made in USA'
put on ot into them in one way or another by their
makers or by others intermediary.
Too, there are many other ways to skirt the 'law'
or beg the ordinances or the definitions
prescribed by governing bodys who one might have
supposed see to it that the phrase would mean
something.
It means just about "Nothing"...unless one already
knows the actual provenance of the particular item
entirely, and for all of it's constituant parts or
as may be.
Love,
Phil
el v
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keba M Hitzeman"
> No worries about bursting my bubble...that's
just what I found on a website.
> I completely understand that "Made in USA"
stamped on it doesn't necessarily
> mean safe.
>
> Keba
>
> Keba M. Hitzeman
> Spanish Consultant
> www.keba.hitzeman.com
> kmhitzeman@hitzeman.com
Ivor and Olive Lewis on thu 22 feb 07
Our Australian Dogs have always had there food and water presented to =
them in Stoneware utensils, designed for the task and glaze with a clear =
felspathic glaze for the interior and a decorative glaze for the =
exterior.
The last two dogs to die in my care, and at the time, in my arms, =
expired from old age and prostate cancer.
I suggest Dr Michael Fox is challenged about the evidence on which he =
bases his opinions. Is it valid and if it records deaths of animals, are =
his conclusions supported by statistical evidence.
Our new chum, "Rascal", a dark and tan Kelpie now eleven weeks old, sits =
politely before his Tenmoku glaze square dish while Olive prepares his =
vitals.
Bag the Man.
Best regards,
Ivor Lewis.
Redhill,
South Australia.
Gayle Bair on thu 22 feb 07
Sorry to burst your bubble but USA items are not necessarily safe.
If you have any doggie bowls, kids bowls
or anything made in one of those "paint your own shops"
it is likely glaze they use/used a Duncan glaze like Diamond Clear.
It has 27% lead and That Glaze Does Leach LEAD. Unfortunately it
can claim to meet standards because the standards are antiquated.
Gayle Bair
Tucson AZ
-----Original Message-----
From: Keba M Hitzeman
snip>
Some foreign-made ceramic bowls contain lead, which can contaminate the food
and water - and your dog when she eats and drinks from them. They also can
chip easily if your dog gets rowdy with her dish. So stick with ceramic
bowls made in North America."
snip>
Snail Scott on thu 22 feb 07
At 02:24 PM 2/21/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>I cannot believe the article I just read on a pet site...
>...Painted Ceramic Bowls even if glazed could
>still lead to lead in your pets food or water. This is a tip for PEOPLE
>TOO! Only use WHITE or clear glass. Never 'colors'! If the OUTSIDE of the
>bowl is color it's fine but not the INSIDE. Even if 'glazed' the lead or
>toxins from paint and colors can get into the food and water...
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of
non-food-safe stuff has been foisted onto
pets over the years. I suppose the writer
was trying to offer a 'sure-to-be-safe'
code of behavior rather than the ambiguous
'some-is-safe-and-some-ain't' answer which
is closer to the truth.
-Snail
Fred Parker on thu 22 feb 07
Bunny:
If I'm reading it correctly, there's an email address provided. Why not
set him straight with legitimate information and, on behalf of the dog/cat
bowl potters he maligned, request he set the public record straight in his
column?
Fred Parker
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:24:46 -0500, Bunny Lemak wrote:
>I cannot believe the article I just read on a pet site. It has pet owners
>throwing out all their ceramic ware! It just burns my b_ _ _ when someone
>gives out false information.
>
>Here is the article:
>
> Plastic Bowls- Painted Ceramic Bowls always put water in STAINLESS STEEL
>or CLEAR GLASS BOWLS, Not plastic or ceramic! Plastic deteriorates no
>matter how often you clean or change water. Research shows that when
>plastic containers, such as cups and dishes are filled with water or other
>liquids that they will gradually dissolve. This could be hazardous to your
>pet's health. (from Dr. Michael Fox's column in the NY post) Email
>questions to pets@nypost.com . Painted Ceramic Bowls even if glazed could
>still lead to lead in your pets food or water. This is a tip for PEOPLE
>TOO! Only use WHITE or clear glass. Never 'colors'! If the OUTSIDE of the
>bowl is color it's fine but not the INSIDE. Even if 'glazed' the lead or
>toxins from paint and colors can get into the food and water.
>
>
>Any comments????
>
>Bunny
>
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>
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Bunny Lemak on thu 22 feb 07
>If I'm reading it correctly, there's an email address provided. Why not
>set him straight with legitimate information and, on behalf of the dog/cat
>bowl potters he maligned, request he set the public record straight in his
>column?
>
>Fred Parker
Hi Fred-
Actually I already did try to contact this person, but the article was
written a few years ago and the email came back undeliverable. But, I did
set things right on the pet site that orginally posted this.
I too hope that he was referring to the Imports manily from China & Mexico
where the lead content is high.
It never crossed my mind that the make & take shops around were using a
lead based paint - isn't that against the laws?! Interesting......
Thanks everyone for your input.
Bunny
Keba M Hitzeman on thu 22 feb 07
No worries about bursting my bubble...that's just what I found on a website.
I completely understand that "Made in USA" stamped on it doesn't necessarily
mean safe.
Keba
Keba M. Hitzeman
Spanish Consultant
www.keba.hitzeman.com
kmhitzeman@hitzeman.com
Need coffee? Fresh roasted, whole bean or ground. Small batches for
quality.
coffee@engima22.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Gayle Bair
Sent: Thursday, 22 February, 2007 02:46
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Dog/Cat food bowls article
Sorry to burst your bubble but USA items are not necessarily safe.
If you have any doggie bowls, kids bowls
or anything made in one of those "paint your own shops"
it is likely glaze they use/used a Duncan glaze like Diamond Clear.
It has 27% lead and That Glaze Does Leach LEAD. Unfortunately it
can claim to meet standards because the standards are antiquated.
Gayle Bair
Tucson AZ
-----Original Message-----
From: Keba M Hitzeman
snip>
Some foreign-made ceramic bowls contain lead, which can contaminate the food
and water - and your dog when she eats and drinks from them. They also can
chip easily if your dog gets rowdy with her dish. So stick with ceramic
bowls made in North America."
snip>
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CA Fisher on thu 22 feb 07
I just adopted a golden from golden retriever rescue and their comment
was:
"We recommend stainless steel bowls for food and water. They can be
sanitized, whereas, plastic bowls are harder
to keep clean. Plastic bowls are known to rub the pigment off of a
dog's nose. Beware of stoneware bowls: these
are often imported and may contain toxic or lead based paints. They may
be cute, but they may be deadly."
Cheryl Fisher
Sarasota, Florida USA
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val on sat 24 feb 07
Well maybe the imported ones from other Countries but
the ones we make in Canada and U.S. etc....wouldn't
they be okay...I always use food safe glaze so I
wouldn't think there would be a problem as long as you
used the proper glazes and firing...
Val
val@tlaz.com
I just adopted a golden from golden retriever rescue
and their comment
was:
"We recommend stainless steel bowls for food and water.
They can be sanitized, whereas, plastic bowls are
harder to keep clean. Plastic bowls are known to rub
the pigment off of a dog's nose. Beware of stoneware
bowls: these are often imported and may contain toxic
or lead based paints. They may be cute, but they may be
deadly."
Cheryl Fisher
Sarasota, Florida USA
claytalk@verizon.net
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