Bob Johnson on thu 22 feb 07
Kathy: Photoshop Elements will allow you to work with layers.
Best,
Bob
At 2/22/2007 06:20 PM, you wrote:
>On Feb 22, 2007, at 2:24 PM, Paul Borian wrote:
>
>The biggest difference to me is Elements lacks ability to work with
>layers or make clipping masks, essential for silhouetting or
>collaging and useful for non-purist color correction or modification.
>Type styling is less sophisticated. Also, it lacks ability to work in
>CMYK which is crucial for doing print work.
>
>about.com has an overview comparison: http://graphicssoft.about.com/
>cs/photoshop/f/elementscompare.htm
>adobe's in depth comparison: http://www.adobe.com/digitalimag/
>ps_pse_comparison.html (second tab)
>
>But you're considering 7.0 vs. maybe Elements, not CS2 as in the
>comparisons, so they're somewhat closer together.
>
>For glare, try using Reduce Dust and Scratches... or Despeckle...
>filter, both in 7.0. Reduce Noise... and Polarizing filter are in CS
>and CS2.
>
>If you want more control and efficiency, go with 7.0. If you want
>simplicity, tutorials and step-by-step instructions, try Elements.
>
>Kathy
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Fredrick Paget on thu 22 feb 07
I too have been using Photoshop for many years . I have 7 and
upgraded to CS2 at Christmas 2006. I have not done a lot with CS2
yet. I go back to 7 for easy things because I know it better. CS2
does have a number of improvements and you can upgrade to it from 7 .
I like to keep up with them because they may cut off the chance to
upgrade if you fall too far behind. That happened to me with
FileMaker Pro. I was too far behind and had to pay full price for the
Filemaker 8.5 for OS X.
Another thing to consider if you are using a Mac is that Photoshop 7
is a Classic application and it will not run on the new Intel Macs.
CS2 is OSX and will run in the emulator on the Intels. If you are
Wintel you are cool.
There is a new plug-in in CS2 called healing brush that might be what
your friend used. It sounds like it would easily do that.
"Spot Healing Brush-Effortless, one-click retouching is yours with
the advanced power of the new Spot Healing Brush in Photoshop CS2.
Click or paint flaws away, remove entire objects, and heal across all
layers with your choice of blending and sample modes-".
You could do it in 7 with a little more trouble using the rubbing
finger or the stamp tool.
Photoshop Elements, Perhaps that is all you need. I don't have it
since I have Photoshop. I like the power of the pro application. Also
I need it for the CMYK separation in my decal work on inkjet
printers. Don't know if Elements will do that but I doubt it.
There is another new Adobe application for retouching called
Photoshop Lightroom. You can download a working 30 day trial from the
Adobe website.
Fred Paget
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Mill Valley, CA, USA
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Paul Borian on thu 22 feb 07
I can get photoshop 7.0 for a reasonable price, probably because it is
an older version, and I am trying to figure out if it will serve my
purposes for editing images of my pottery.
I was at a friend's house who has photoshop CS2 and he was helping me
revise my catalog. I was telling him how some of my really glossy glazes
are nearly impossible to get good shots of due to the glare, no matter
how well I diffuse the light (light tent with a sheet over top of it,
etc.)
So I showed him a picture and in a few seconds he pretty much solved the
problem. I am not sure what function it was called, it just made a major
improvement in reducing the glare. Can you do this with version 7 or is
that something new that came out with CS2?
Does anyone know what the main differences are?
Thanks,
Paul
Gail Fullerton on thu 22 feb 07
Why not use Photoshop Elements? I used to teach Photoshop and can get ar=
ound
in it quite well, but I use Elements for editing my photos and it can do =
most
anything I want, far easier, faster and without taking up nearly as much =
space
on my computer.
Gail Fullerton
in Fairbanks where it was -40F this morning.
____________________________________________________________________
=
Dan Saultman on thu 22 feb 07
Paul,
I have been using Photoshop for years.
Since you do not know the function or technique used to fix the glare
in your photos it's hard to say what was done. But it is probable that
anything done in Photoshop can be done with earlier versions. Newer
versions are dealing with easier navigation, histories and finesse of
images perhaps. I could almost guarantee that anything done, and the
tools used, in a slightly earlier or newer version will yield the same
results. I'm using CS even though there is a CS3 coming out soon.
If you want to learn how to use Photoshop for your photos here is an
organization that puts out a slick magazine with tips.
If you need a little help, let me know.
http://www.photoshopuser.com/
Dan
Dan Saultman
Detroit
http://www.saultman.com
On Feb 22, 2007, at 2:24 PM, Paul Borian wrote:
> I can get photoshop 7.0 for a reasonable price, probably because it is
> an older version, and I am trying to figure out if it will serve my
> purposes for editing images of my pottery.
>
> Can you do this with version 7 or is
> that something new that came out with CS2?
>
> Does anyone know what the main differences are?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
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Carl Finch on thu 22 feb 07
At 11:24 AM 2/22/2007, Paul Borian wrote:
>I can get photoshop 7.0 for a reasonable price, probably because it is
>an older version, and I am trying to figure out if it will serve my
>purposes for editing images of my pottery.
>
>I was at a friend's house who has photoshop CS2 and he was helping me
>revise my catalog. I was telling him how some of my really glossy glazes
>are nearly impossible to get good shots of due to the glare, no matter
>how well I diffuse the light (light tent with a sheet over top of it,
>etc.)
>
>So I showed him a picture and in a few seconds he pretty much solved the
>problem. I am not sure what function it was called, it just made a major
>improvement in reducing the glare. Can you do this with version 7 or is
>that something new that came out with CS2?
>
>Does anyone know what the main differences are?
Dunno what the price is that you've been offered for version 7 (CS2
is version 9), but unless you are preparing photos professionally for
publication, you'll save a bundle by buying "Photoshop Elements." It
has all the photo enhancement and manipulation features of
"Photoshop," and the price new is something well under $100 (though
unfortunately, the interface is just as complicated!). But for
simply "fixing" photos, the procedures are easily learned (a recent
post by Lee Love referenced a site that explained how to adjust color
levels). But anyway, if the price for ver. 7 is that good, you will
certainly be able to do the sort of adjustments your friend did with
his ver. 9.
I think it was in version 7 that Photoshop introduced its photo
cataloging and thumbnail display, "Adobe Bridge." Bridge is much
improved by now, so that's another reason for getting the current
version of Photoshop Elements (it's included with Elements). (I
don't use Bridge, so what I've said here may be a bit off)
--Carl
in Medford, Oregon
Bob Johnson on thu 22 feb 07
Paul: I have Photshop 6.0, and it works very well. But, several
friends who have some photographic expertise have told me that
Photoshop Elements 4 is not only cheaper than the full-blown
Photoshop but also a very sophisticated program---probably with more
capability than most of us need. You should be able to get it for
less than $90.
Bob
At 2/22/2007 11:24 AM, you wrote:
>I can get photoshop 7.0 for a reasonable price, probably because it is
>an older version, and I am trying to figure out if it will serve my
>purposes for editing images of my pottery.
>
>I
>Paul
Leigh Whitaker on thu 22 feb 07
I love Photoshop, and I think I have 7 on one of my computers, and 8 on the
other. I've never used CS. Photoshop is great, but the learning curve is
VERY steep. Elements would be a good choice, as someone suggested. Another
really good on is, uh... Jasc Painshop Pro. It's also much cheaper. It will
do many of the things that PS will do, and some cutesy things it won't.
Leigh
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Kathy Forer on thu 22 feb 07
On Feb 22, 2007, at 2:24 PM, Paul Borian wrote:
> So I showed him a picture and in a few seconds he pretty much
> solved the
> problem. I am not sure what function it was called, it just made a
> major
> improvement in reducing the glare. Can you do this with version 7
> or is
> that something new that came out with CS2?
The biggest difference to me is Elements lacks ability to work with
layers or make clipping masks, essential for silhouetting or
collaging and useful for non-purist color correction or modification.
Type styling is less sophisticated. Also, it lacks ability to work in
CMYK which is crucial for doing print work.
about.com has an overview comparison: http://graphicssoft.about.com/
cs/photoshop/f/elementscompare.htm
adobe's in depth comparison: http://www.adobe.com/digitalimag/
ps_pse_comparison.html (second tab)
But you're considering 7.0 vs. maybe Elements, not CS2 as in the
comparisons, so they're somewhat closer together.
For glare, try using Reduce Dust and Scratches... or Despeckle...
filter, both in 7.0. Reduce Noise... and Polarizing filter are in CS
and CS2.
If you want more control and efficiency, go with 7.0. If you want
simplicity, tutorials and step-by-step instructions, try Elements.
Kathy
wwwac-ed out on the Jersey shore
--
www.foreverink.com
Leigh Whitaker on fri 23 feb 07
In a message dated 2/22/2007 10:49:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
claystevslat@YAHOO.COM writes:
Leigh -- any meaning in spelling it "painshop"? Steve S
LOL, not intentionally! I was nursing the baby, makes it hard to type.
That reminds me... I was communicating with my HR person by email when I
was quitting my job. I was trying to figure out when my insurance coverage was
going to be over. The HR person accidentally called the insurance company
an "ignorance company". Very appropriate, IMO!
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Darrell Walker on fri 23 feb 07
On Feb 22, 2007, at 9:14 PM, Fredrick Paget wrote:
> Another thing to consider if you are using a Mac is that Photoshop 7
> is a Classic application and it will not run on the new Intel Macs.
This is not correct, Photoshop 7 is a native Mac OS X application.
It is only PPC, so it runs emulated on Intel processors, but it does
run just fine.
-Darrell Walker
Vancouver, WA
Arnold Howard on fri 23 feb 07
From: "Leigh Whitaker"
> VERY steep. Elements would be a good choice, as someone
> suggested. Another
> really good on is, uh... Jasc Painshop Pro.
Another reasonably priced program is Corel Photo Paint. A
few years ago it rivaled Photoshop in features.
Sincerely,
Arnold Howard
Paragon Industries, L.P., Mesquite, Texas USA
ahoward@paragonweb.com / www.paragonweb.com
Kathy Forer on fri 23 feb 07
On Feb 22, 2007, at 11:39 PM, Bob Johnson wrote:
> Photoshop Elements will allow you to work with layers.
Bob, you're right. I was less than accurate.
Elements does layers, but Elements' layers don't do everything I want
them to do. Specifically layer clipping masks and ability to create
layer Sets. Also, manipulation of Channels. It has layers but the
level of control is much less detailed or fine-tuned.
Layer clipping masks, in particular, are very useful.
graphicssoft has a method for emulating them in Elements:
Also, I suggested using the Polarize filter in CS2. I don't have CS2
yet and had only read about it. I don't think there is a PSP built-in
Polarize... filter per se. There are, however, various ways of
mimicking a Polarize filter using RGB Channels. Google on 'Photoshop
polarize filter'. There are also a few commercial add-on Polarizing
filters, such as by Nik. Maybe someone else knows. As always, if you
really need, it, it's best to use the actual filter on your camera,
not later.
Kathy
My links were broken. Here they are, hopefully contained, unbroken:
For demos and videos of Elements, see
Leigh Whitaker on fri 23 feb 07
Another thing with Paintshop Pro is that you can do layers, which someone
said you can't do in Elements. I haven't ever used Elements, so I wasn't aware
of that limitation.
Layers are very useful, but for simple photo editing you can work around not
having them, I think.
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claystevslat on fri 23 feb 07
Arnold -- You're right, but the last time I checked it, Corel PP had a
bit of a learning curve.
If you folks aren't afraid of a learning curve, you can get a fabulous
program, GIMP, for free. Go to www.GIMP.org -- there are versions for
Unix/Linux, Windows, and Mac. The initial setup for GIMP is sort of
off-putting for some people, and it's advisable to also download the
Weisbeek introduction.
Steve S
--- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, Arnold Howard wrote:
>
> Another reasonably priced program is Corel Photo Paint. A
> few years ago it rivaled Photoshop in features.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Arnold Howard
The Fuzzy Chef on fri 23 feb 07
> If you folks aren't afraid of a learning curve, you can get a fabulous
> program, GIMP, for free. =A0Go to www.GIMP.org -- there are versions for
> Unix/Linux, Windows, and Mac. =A0The initial setup for GIMP is sort of
> off-putting for some people, and it's advisable to also download the
> Weisbeek introduction.
Let me second this. If you get used to using both buttons of the mouse,=20
with the Gimp you can rotate, brighten and crop a whole folder full of=20
photos in minutes. I have both Photoshop and the Gimp and I now use the=20
Gimp by preference.
=2D-=20
The Fuzzy Chef
San Francisco
claystevslat on fri 23 feb 07
Leigh -- any meaning in spelling it "painshop"? Steve S
--- In clayart@yahoogroups.com, Leigh Whitaker
wrote:
>
> I love Photoshop, and I think I have 7 on one of my computers, and 8
on the
> other. I've never used CS. Photoshop is great, but the learning
curve is
> VERY steep. Elements would be a good choice, as someone
suggested. Another
> really good on is, uh... Jasc Painshop Pro. It's also much
cheaper. It will
> do many of the things that PS will do, and some cutesy things it
won't.
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