Forest Butera on tue 27 feb 07
Does anyone know what type of wax resit Bill Van Gilder uses? In his DIY
tv show he says "wait a few minutes for it to try". The only wax resist I
have found takes a minimum of three hours to dry.
Forest
Taylor Hendrix on tue 27 feb 07
On 2/27/07, Forest Butera wrote:
... The only wax resist I
> have found takes a minimum of three hours to dry.
Hmm, Forest. Don't know what Bill uses but the stuff I use is a water
based wax resist that dries lickity split. I purchase mine at my
not-so-local clay supplier and thin it with a little water. No idea of
the brand name, sorry, but someone at your clay supplier should be
able to tell you.
Taylor, in Rockport TX
Kathi LeSueur on tue 27 feb 07
Forest Butera wrote:
>Does anyone know what type of wax resit Bill Van Gilder uses? In his DIY
>tv show he says "wait a few minutes for it to try". The only wax resist I
>have found takes a minimum of three hours to dry.
>Forest>>>
>
I don't know what he uses but I waxed pots last night with "Wax that
Works" and glazed them about a half hour later.
Kathi
>
>
>
>
John Fulwood on tue 27 feb 07
Hi Forest,
I dont know what he uses but if it dries quickly, it might be hot candle wax. I use an electric skillet to melt the wax. Keep it at 250 degrees and it works fine.
John
-----Original Message-----
>From: Forest Butera
>Sent: Feb 27, 2007 9:25 AM
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Bill Van Gilder Wax Resist
>
>Does anyone know what type of wax resit Bill Van Gilder uses? In his DIY
>tv show he says "wait a few minutes for it to try". The only wax resist I
>have found takes a minimum of three hours to dry.
>Forest
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ReynolPE on tue 27 feb 07
I don't know what kind it is but the kind I buy from my Pottery Supply
store dries in about 10 minutes. They buy it in 5 gallon drums and
make a bunch of 1 pint (or something like that) size jar to sell.
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> Does anyone know what type of wax resit Bill Van Gilder uses? In his DIY
> tv show he says "wait a few minutes for it to try". The only wax
resist I
> have found takes a minimum of three hours to dry.
> Forest
>
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Bonnie Hellman on tue 27 feb 07
I use the synthetic wax resist (what Bill van Gilder calls wax resist
emulsion) sold by Standard Ceramics of Pittsburgh, PA and it dries VERY
quickly and is reasonably priced, a good combination when you get quality
AND price.
I use a sponge brush to apply it to bisqued clay and by the time I've
finished waxing my last pots, the first are ready to glaze.
It works so well that even if you don't wipe glaze drips off the wax (i.e.
you miss a few) they don't stick to the pot. I discovered this when I
accidentally dripped wax where I didn't want it, and thought I'd quickly
wiped off the wax. I applied my glaze to the whole pot, and fired it.
Because I thought I'd wiped off the wax, and it looked like the glaze stuck
everywhere, I thought I was good to go. Wrong! The glaze did NOT adhere to
the area where I'd dripped spot of glaze.
Only did that once.
I'm in the midst of preparing income tax returns for individuals and small
businesses (including a number of ceramic artists) and preparing my
presentation at Thursday afternoon's NCECA connections, looking forward to
NCECA again.
Bonnie
Bonnie D. Hellman
Ouray, Colorado 81427
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kathi LeSueur"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: Bill Van Gilder Wax Resist
> Forest Butera wrote:
>
>>Does anyone know what type of wax resit Bill Van Gilder uses? In his DIY
>>tv show he says "wait a few minutes for it to try". The only wax resist I
>>have found takes a minimum of three hours to dry.
>>Forest>>>
>>
>
> I don't know what he uses but I waxed pots last night with "Wax that
> Works" and glazed them about a half hour later.
>
> Kathi
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Barbara Lewis on tue 27 feb 07
Bonnie: I agree with you about Standard's wax resist. The best I've found.
I apply it with a sponge brush with most pots on the banding wheel. Barbara
Bonnie Hellman on tue 27 feb 07
I just checked out the price of Standard Ceramic's wax resist on their web
site www.standardceramic.com
It costs $5.40 for a pint and $15.00 for a gallon. (Note that there are
always 8 pints in a gallon. )
Bonnie
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Subject: Re: Bill Van Gilder Wax Resist
> Bonnie: I agree with you about Standard's wax resist. The best I've
> found.
> I apply it with a sponge brush with most pots on the banding wheel.
> Barbara
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Lynn Goodman Porcelain Pottery on tue 27 feb 07
On Feb 27, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Forest Butera wrote:
> Does anyone know what type of wax resit Bill Van Gilder uses? In
> his DIY
> tv show he says "wait a few minutes for it to try". The only wax
> resist I
> have found takes a minimum of three hours to dry.
> Forest
I don't know what he uses, but I use Duncan wax. It dries in a few
minutes and is easy to use for fine detail.
Lynn
Lynn Goodman
Fine Porcelain Pottery
Cell 347-526-9805
www.lynngoodmanporcelain.com
Richard Walker on wed 28 feb 07
I haven't a clue what Bil Van Gilder uses, but I have found that most wax resists don't. Melting wax works well but is both awkward and a bit dangerous plus it tends to jump up onto your ware. Personally I use good old petroleum jelly, (the cheapest I can fine, usually at Wal-Mart), and mix it with unscented mineral spirits. Unscented is a misnomer, to say the least, but it works. Still have to do a little wiping and cleaning, but is better than anything I have found and the cost is minimal. Why use anything else?
Dick
>From: Lynn Goodman Porcelain Pottery
>Date: 2007/02/27 Tue PM 07:02:37 CST
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: Bill Van Gilder Wax Resist
>On Feb 27, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Forest Butera wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know what type of wax resit Bill Van Gilder uses? In
>> his DIY
>> tv show he says "wait a few minutes for it to try". The only wax
>> resist I
>> have found takes a minimum of three hours to dry.
>> Forest
>
>I don't know what he uses, but I use Duncan wax. It dries in a few
>minutes and is easy to use for fine detail.
>
>Lynn
>
>
>
>
>
>Lynn Goodman
>Fine Porcelain Pottery
>Cell 347-526-9805
>www.lynngoodmanporcelain.com
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Jacqueline Miller on wed 28 feb 07
All these waxes have worked okay for me for the foot of the pot, but
some peel off if applied over a glazed area as a design reisit. Do the
Standard or Duncan stay on over glaze?
Jackie
On 2/28/07, Richard Walker wrote:
> I haven't a clue what Bil Van Gilder uses, but I have found that most wax resists don't. Melting wax works well but is both awkward and a bit dangerous plus it tends to jump up onto your ware. Personally I use good old petroleum jelly, (the cheapest I can fine, usually at Wal-Mart), and mix it with unscented mineral spirits. Unscented is a misnomer, to say the least, but it works. Still have to do a little wiping and cleaning, but is better than anything I have found and the cost is minimal. Why use anything else?
>
> Dick
>
> >From: Lynn Goodman Porcelain Pottery
> >Date: 2007/02/27 Tue PM 07:02:37 CST
> >To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> >Subject: Re: Bill Van Gilder Wax Resist
>
> >On Feb 27, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Forest Butera wrote:
> >
> >> Does anyone know what type of wax resit Bill Van Gilder uses? In
> >> his DIY
> >> tv show he says "wait a few minutes for it to try". The only wax
> >> resist I
> >> have found takes a minimum of three hours to dry.
> >> Forest
> >
> >I don't know what he uses, but I use Duncan wax. It dries in a few
> >minutes and is easy to use for fine detail.
> >
> >Lynn
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Lynn Goodman
> >Fine Porcelain Pottery
> >Cell 347-526-9805
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Snail Scott on wed 28 feb 07
At 09:25 AM 2/27/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>Does anyone know what type of wax resit Bill Van Gilder uses? In his DIY
>tv show he says "wait a few minutes for it to try". The only wax resist I
>have found takes a minimum of three hours to dry...
This should never be the case when
applying an emulsion wax resist to
bisque, regardless of the brand used.
It should be applied thinly enough that
it dries almost immediately from the
absorbency of the bisque underneath.
Never re-coat; this will definitely take
a long time to dry, since the first coat
seals the bisque and the second coat has
to air-dry. Air-drying just shouldn't be
a factor; it's the bisque that dries it
out fast, not evaporation, which would
take forever with any brand.
Put it on thinly, and apply just a single
coating. One is enough. If it isn't drying
quickly, that's a sure sign that it's
just too thick. If it's thickened in the
jar, add more water 'til it's like cream
again.
Keep it THIN, and apply ONE coat.
-Snail
p.s. on nomenclature: if you are using wax
to resist glaze, then it's a wax resist,
whether it's melted or emulsified. It isn't
wax resist because it comes out of a jar
that says so; it's wax resist because you
use it that way, regardless of its origin.
So, there.
-S.
Lynn Goodman Porcelain Pottery on wed 28 feb 07
On Feb 28, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Jacqueline Miller wrote:
> All these waxes have worked okay for me for the foot of the pot, but
> some peel off if applied over a glazed area as a design reisit. Do the
> Standard or Duncan stay on over glaze?
> Jackie
The Duncan wax stays on my glaze just fine. (I use a lot of cmc in my
glazes--besides making them paintable, it also helps the wax to stay
put.) I do know a couple of people who had trouble with Duncan wax
peeling off glaze; I think their glazes were dustier than mine. The
only way to know which will work for you is to buy a small amount and
try it.
Lynn
Lynn Goodman
Fine Porcelain Pottery
Cell 347-526-9805
www.lynngoodmanporcelain.com
Leigh Whitaker on thu 1 mar 07
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Stuart & Kathryn Fields on thu 1 mar 07
In the DIY book by Bill Van Gilder, "Wheel Thrown Pottery" he does not =
specify any particular was resist. Most of the clay supply companies =
sell a version. I've used Laguna's and Aardvark's but can see no =
difference. Gilder does say the resist usually has to be watered down =
50/50. The drying time may have more to do with your environment, much =
like clay and glaze. Out here in parched earth land, "a few minutes" is =
plenty.
Kathryn Fields
Experimental Helo magazine
P. O. Box 1585
Inyokern, CA 93527
(760) 377-4478 ph
(760) 408-9747 publication cell
Bert Gibson on thu 1 mar 07
I have a bottle of green wax resist from Aftosa and it clearly says on
the bottle "allow wax to dry for a minimum of 2 hours before glazing".
If memory serves, I think on at least one or two episodes Bill was using
a green wax resist. Maybe wrong on that though.
Personally, I use hot wax for most things. Seems to work better and
faster for me.
Bert Gibson
Forest Butera on fri 2 mar 07
>>I have a bottle of green wax resist from Aftosa and it clearly says on
the bottle "allow wax to dry for a minimum of 2 hours before glazing".
If memory serves, I think on at least one or two episodes Bill was using
a green wax resist. Maybe wrong on that though.<<
I've used Axner's and Aftosa's which were about the same and all took over
3 hours to dry. BUT, I didn't thin it. Maybe that is the key. If that
doesn't help I'll try some of the Campbell's or Duncans which was
suggested. Thanks to everyone for their suggestions.
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