pam blessinger on sun 11 mar 07
As a teacher, I ask my students to give one negative and one positive comment. This might not have saved you, but it would have limited a few of the comments.
Just an idea.
pam blessinger
Lili Krakowski wrote:
Deborah, Deborah!
You made sculptures involving penises, in two bodies, no less.....
"a series of sculptures
...about sex-role stereotypes, work place politics, and power
perceptions." And, if I interpret earlier posts correctly
you dipped one in celadon (shudder)
and put blue on top (double shudder!)
And you took the sculptures into the studio and expected
comments that would deal with technique and not contents!
And then you expected a golden chariot to appear, drawn
by six white horses, with an icebucket of champagne in back????
I will resist temptation and avoid comment about penises as
sofa art....
But:
Critique of technique and practical matters is valid.
No matter what, who, how, when ,where, all the rest is a matter
of personal opinion. Pope Sixtus IV LIKED the Sistine Chapel.
Catherine de Medici go a kick out to the Medici Room...They were
not art critics, they were the ones with the check books! Art history
is crammed with stories of patrons who did NOT like the
content of works..This is not because of poor technique but
because of "warts and all."
For all the vaunted sexual revolution the culture
remains infantile. You cannot pass a
newsstand without endless images of hyper inflated
female breasts assaulting you! Have you yet seen a magazine
cover with equally exposed males? That alone should
tell you where we are at, and what you should have expected.
Would the late Mrs Smith be obsessing
the media had she not fitted the current notion
of female beauty?
So be pleased with yourself. Be proud!
You learned a lot about critiques
and you learned what happens when your "content" hits a nerve!
You did what you wanted to do, said what you wanted
to say, celadon and blue glaze and all, the pieces survived
the fire....And you got a bunch of people all riled up!
Not half bad for an evening's work!
( Rather than comment about workplace politics sex roles and like
that boldly and honestly, next time you might go in for "metaphor"
( a term beloved by art critics, and statement writers) and
do a sculpture of a cauliflower in mortal combat with a rutabaga!
That should catch "their" attention!
Blessings and good wishes
Dear Heart!
Lili Krakowski
Be of good courage
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Marcia Selsor on sun 11 mar 07
OK, OK, OK
confession time.
For a critique where I was really pissed when the prof opened a kiln
and shattered everyone's work.
I made a Penis with flying wings cookie cutter and made cookies for
the critique. I decorated them with a super "S".
I doubt if many or any one got it.
I still feel a warm glow when I think of everyone biting into those
pricks.
Sorry. I was in Sylvester Stallone's graduating class in Philly. And
i take great pride in being a Philly gal. I graduated. He didn't
Marcia Selsor
http://marciaselsor.com
Angela Davis on sun 11 mar 07
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH my!!
You put that so well Lili, I laughed out loud .
>You made sculptures involving penises, in two bodies, no less.....
> "a series of sculptures
> ...about sex-role stereotypes, work place politics, and power
> perceptions." And, if I interpret earlier posts correctly
> you dipped one in celadon (shudder)
> and put blue on top (double shudder!)
Your right blue boobies wouldn't have caused any fuss.
>next time you might go in for "metaphor"
> ( a term beloved by art critics, and statement writers) and
> do a sculpture of a cauliflower in mortal combat with a rutabaga!
> That should catch "their" attention
Maybe with 2 rutabaga and a squash.
You could always hide it in the fridge.
Angela Davis
Who spent most of the day getting my almost outdoor studio tucked
away for the time I'll be at NCECA.
I have a roof overhead but open on all sides so everything that might
blow away or get wet in blowing rain had to be secured. Loaded the
bisque kiln for firing tomorrow to be unloaded when I get back.
I spent some time picturing potters all over the world finalizing clay
work before they took off for a week and felt the community of it all.
Great to know I'll soon be smack dab in the center of that wonderful
community lapping up more than I can hold.
Azibiri
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lili Krakowski"
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 3:57 PM
Subject: Penis critique AIN'T sofa art!
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> Dear Heart!
> Lili Krakowski
> Be of good courage
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Lili Krakowski on sun 11 mar 07
Deborah, Deborah!
You made sculptures involving penises, in two bodies, no less.....
"a series of sculptures
...about sex-role stereotypes, work place politics, and power
perceptions." And, if I interpret earlier posts correctly
you dipped one in celadon (shudder)
and put blue on top (double shudder!)
And you took the sculptures into the studio and expected
comments that would deal with technique and not contents!
And then you expected a golden chariot to appear, drawn
by six white horses, with an icebucket of champagne in back????
I will resist temptation and avoid comment about penises as
sofa art....
But:
Critique of technique and practical matters is valid.
No matter what, who, how, when ,where, all the rest is a matter
of personal opinion. Pope Sixtus IV LIKED the Sistine Chapel.
Catherine de Medici go a kick out to the Medici Room...They were
not art critics, they were the ones with the check books! Art history
is crammed with stories of patrons who did NOT like the
content of works..This is not because of poor technique but
because of "warts and all."
For all the vaunted sexual revolution the culture
remains infantile. You cannot pass a
newsstand without endless images of hyper inflated
female breasts assaulting you! Have you yet seen a magazine
cover with equally exposed males? That alone should
tell you where we are at, and what you should have expected.
Would the late Mrs Smith be obsessing
the media had she not fitted the current notion
of female beauty?
So be pleased with yourself. Be proud!
You learned a lot about critiques
and you learned what happens when your "content" hits a nerve!
You did what you wanted to do, said what you wanted
to say, celadon and blue glaze and all, the pieces survived
the fire....And you got a bunch of people all riled up!
Not half bad for an evening's work!
( Rather than comment about workplace politics sex roles and like
that boldly and honestly, next time you might go in for "metaphor"
( a term beloved by art critics, and statement writers) and
do a sculpture of a cauliflower in mortal combat with a rutabaga!
That should catch "their" attention!
Blessings and good wishes
Dear Heart!
Lili Krakowski
Be of good courage
Darlene Yarnetsky-Mudcat Pottery on tue 13 mar 07
Thanks Lilli - best laugh of the week!
And yes, breasts wouldn't have raised an eyebrow!
I am remembering a few incidents back at BGSU in Ohio in the 80s.
We had a very commercial oriented painting instructor in what was
then a very in-your-face art oriented group of professors. He wanted
us to earn a living after graduating - imagine that! I learned a
great deal from all, but this one would come to oil painting class
all decked out in a suit and tie. Quite a contrast to us students! He
was also head of the art department.
The current assignment was to paint an object - any object. My best
friend in this class was Peter, a very easy going openly gay young
man with a lot to say. As we got under way painting our 'objects'
the conversation went like this:
"That's a tube of paint, right Peter?"
"No sir, that's a condom."
"That's a tube of paint, RIGHT PETER?"
"No sir, that's a condom."
(Both of them smiling, but firm)
Professor walks away loudly professing "That's a tube of paint!"
Peter finished his painting, got his A and the subject matter was
left at that.
Another incident was later, when the faculty art show went up some
time around 1990 and the ceramics prof at the time - Don Erlichman -
had a piece with a giant red penis rising from the center. I can't
remember what the title was after all of these years, but he did a
number of pieces poking fun at famous people or commenting on
politics or world events. Great stuff, beautiful forms - usually
around 3 feet tall or so. This one created quite a stir quietly
among the art students in what was by then becoming a increasingly
conservative student body. No fuss among most of the clay kids though
- we had seen many breast pots over the years and were enjoying the
fair play!
Can't imagine what today's campus's are like. Seems like people are
less open minded than they used to be. Don't know if that is just my
impression or is really the truth.
Deborah - Be glad to evoke some commentary and don't be afraid to
defend your work. That's the whole point right - when you make this
type of piece - to communicate about an issue? So you have opened up
a conversation - use it! Raise some hell, open a few minds! Enjoy! :)
Happy potting!
Darlene Yarnetsky
Mudcat Pottery
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