Deborah Thuman on wed 14 mar 07
I'm the one with the ceramic penises.
I learned a lot from this. I learned that kids today just aren't what
we were like in the 60's. Either that or these kids don't want a woman
older than their mothers playing with penises. I learned that one piece
says far more than I had imagined. Oddly, I learned a lot about power
politics from that piece. I learned that my art has a life of its own
and has a message of its own. Why this surprises me is beyond me. I
started out as a writer (yeah, I know - you'd think I'd post clearer
being a writer and all) and I once invented a couple characters. Once I
was done, I dearly missed them. I felt as if someone had died. They
didn't do what I wanted them to do, either.
I do make practical things, pretty things, and fun things. But for the
last year now, I've had to pop out some heavy emotional things. I
understand what's going on better when I can transform it into art. I
can make deep, antique hurts go away when I transform them into art.
I can also think about what would happen if I had a solo show. Penis
art, uterus quilt, child abuse doll, breast cancer doll.... I'd have to
put a bouncer at the door and not allow anyone in who was younger than
40. The whole idea sounds intriguing, but in reality I think it
wouldn't be much fun. I don't think I could smile through 3 hours of
"You can't make that!!!"
Deb
http://debthumansblog.blogspot.com/
Randall Moody on thu 15 mar 07
I discussed this thread with my teen-aged sons and their opinion was that
they had heard it all before and that we (the art community) are rehashing
the same ideas and statements. They noted that many of the statements behind
a great deal of work is self evident. We all know war is bad and that men
have penises and women menstrate etc. they are sort of bored with it. I
don't think that kids are any more prudish than they were in the 60's
(although I was not yet a teenager then). I think that the are more aware
and possibly more jaded.
On 3/14/07, Deborah Thuman wrote:
>
>
> I learned a lot from this. I learned that kids today just aren't what
> we were like in the 60's. Either that or these kids don't want a woman
> older than their mothers playing with penises.
John Rodgers on thu 15 mar 07
Debbie,
I have laughed a lot through the reading of all this penis mail. When
you think about it, it is pretty funny.
But the thing that got me was your last comment here. It just sort of
flew all over me.
You said:
"I don't think I could smile through 3 hours of
"You can't make that!!!"
My gut response to such is "Just Watch me!"
I guess that while I may appear a calm conservative on the surface, deep
down inside I'm a rebellious soul. I would find a way. Not always the
wisest thing, but satisfying to the soul.
The wise side of it would be to yield to some social decorum so as to
avoid self destruction, find some compromise. But there is a voice in me
that will always be heard, somehow.
Good luck in your endeavors.
Regards,
John Rodgers
Chelsea, AL
Deborah Thuman wrote:
> I'm the one with the ceramic penises.
>
> I learned a lot from this. I learned that kids today just aren't what
> we were like in the 60's. Either that or these kids don't want a woman
> older than their mothers playing with penises. I learned that one piece
> says far more than I had imagined. Oddly, I learned a lot about power
> politics from that piece. I learned that my art has a life of its own
> and has a message of its own. Why this surprises me is beyond me. I
> started out as a writer (yeah, I know - you'd think I'd post clearer
> being a writer and all) and I once invented a couple characters. Once I
> was done, I dearly missed them. I felt as if someone had died. They
> didn't do what I wanted them to do, either.
>
> I do make practical things, pretty things, and fun things. But for the
> last year now, I've had to pop out some heavy emotional things. I
> understand what's going on better when I can transform it into art. I
> can make deep, antique hurts go away when I transform them into art.
>
> I can also think about what would happen if I had a solo show. Penis
> art, uterus quilt, child abuse doll, breast cancer doll.... I'd have to
> put a bouncer at the door and not allow anyone in who was younger than
> 40. The whole idea sounds intriguing, but in reality I think it
> wouldn't be much fun. I don't think I could smile through 3 hours of
> "You can't make that!!!"
>
> Deb
> http://debthumansblog.blogspot.com/
>
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Donald Burroughs on fri 16 mar 07
Okay, I just could not resist to jump in on this topic. I think the fact
that one wants to express themselves via genitalia imagery is completely
valid. Inca Peruvian art ceramics are the perfect example of unabashed
dialogue with the topic. They were quite adept at using the human body and
it sexual organs with great skill, ingenuity, and I believe with some
humor. In fact, I would venture to guess that these vessels were in fact
ways of teaching the erotic arts and also a celebration of the human
physique. Even today in our puritian and closeted morality, our
civilization can not deal with gentialia which hit us straight on. As for
our youth, I believe that despite the ease of access to erotica and
pornography they are so technologically plugged into sterile technology
that they are numb to what a wonder their beautifully constructed
physiques really are. From genitalia to the visceral, I think there is a
lack of connect because it ia all too easy to sit in front of computer
monitor and play virtual games which influence a sense of disconnect with
the physical self. That's just my take on it in short. I am sure this
topic could be discussed in even greater depth. I just say keep on making
whatever organs you want to.
Donald Burroughs
Donna Kat on fri 16 mar 07
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:54:41 -0600, Deborah Thuman
wrote:
>I'm the one with the ceramic penises.
>
>I learned a lot from this. I learned that kids today just aren't what
>we were like in the 60's. Either that or these kids don't want a woman
>older than their mothers playing with penises. I learned that one piece
>says far more than I had imagined. Oddly, I learned a lot about power
>politics from that piece. I learned that my art has a life of its own
>and has a message of its own. Why this surprises me is beyond me. I
>started out as a writer (yeah, I know - you'd think I'd post clearer
>being a writer and all) and I once invented a couple characters. Once I
>was done, I dearly missed them. I felt as if someone had died. They
>didn't do what I wanted them to do, either.
>
>I do make practical things, pretty things, and fun things. But for the
>last year now, I've had to pop out some heavy emotional things. I
>understand what's going on better when I can transform it into art. I
>can make deep, antique hurts go away when I transform them into art.
>
>I can also think about what would happen if I had a solo show. Penis
>art, uterus quilt, child abuse doll, breast cancer doll.... I'd have to
>put a bouncer at the door and not allow anyone in who was younger than
>40. The whole idea sounds intriguing, but in reality I think it
>wouldn't be much fun. I don't think I could smile through 3 hours of
>"You can't make that!!!"
>
>Deb
>http://debthumansblog.blogspot.com/
I have admired your fabric art for some time time. The penis art is a hoot
and delightful. You must be enjoying the current story on the children's
book that has the word scrotum in it being banned in some libraries. Best
thing that could have happened to that book.
Your story of your sister and mother is heart wrenching. I would like to
see more writing on your blog (that is please continue - not that you have
too little).
Donna
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