Eva Whitehead on thu 29 mar 07
This is what I have always used but it is quite expensive. I use the same
gold I use
on porcelain and fire at 019, It comes in drams and shines after fired but
you only use
one brush to put it over the glazed piece. I only use it on a handle, or a
trim. Do not
use it on unfired glaze or mix the brush either. Use only one brush and clean
it each
time for the next time.
ew
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Vanessa Nelson on thu 29 mar 07
I am from New Jersey and get my supplies from Ceramic Supplies of NY and
NJ. I purchased a glaze that was suposed to make my projects look as if it
was gold. It did not work. Would anyone have any suggestions?
Lois Ruben Aronow on thu 29 mar 07
What sort of product? What are you firing to, and how did you fire the work? I ask, because if what you are using is luster, it has to be very specifically applied and fired.
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I am from New Jersey and get my supplies from Ceramic Supplies of NY and
NJ. I purchased a glaze that was suposed to make my projects look as if it
was gold. It did not work. Would anyone have any suggestions?
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Veena Raghavan on thu 29 mar 07
Perhaps you could tell us the name of the glaze and to what cone it fires,
presumably in oxidation. Would like to be of help, but need to know more.
Thanks,
Veena
In a message dated 3/29/2007 5:19:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
vannell59@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
>
> I am from New Jersey and get my supplies from Ceramic Supplies of NY and
> NJ. I purchased a glaze that was suposed to make my projects look as if it
> was gold. It did not work. Would anyone have any suggestions?
>
VeenaRaghavan@cs.com
Lynn Goodman Porcelain Pottery on thu 29 mar 07
On Mar 29, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Vanessa Nelson wrote:
> I am from New Jersey and get my supplies from Ceramic Supplies of
> NY and
> NJ. I purchased a glaze that was suposed to make my projects look
> as if it
> was gold. It did not work. Would anyone have any suggestions?
You may simply not have enough glaze on your piece. Try it again with
a heavier coat.
Lynn
Lynn Goodman
Fine Porcelain Pottery
Cell 347-526-9805
www.lynngoodmanporcelain.com
William & Susan Schran User on thu 29 mar 07
On 3/29/07 4:21 PM, "Vanessa Nelson" wrote:
> I am from New Jersey and get my supplies from Ceramic Supplies of NY and
> NJ. I purchased a glaze that was suposed to make my projects look as if it
> was gold. It did not work. Would anyone have any suggestions?
Call Ceramic Supplies of NY and NJ and ask them.
Much more information is necessary, like name of glaze, firing temperature
of glaze, how many coats did you apply?, what was your firing schedule?,
what witness cone did you fire to?, what does the glaze look like now?
--
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vanessa nelson on thu 29 mar 07
Sure, it is Amaco Lustre and Metallic Liquid Glazes, the color is Lustre
Gold and should be fired at 4 cone . Thank you.
>From: Veena Raghavan
>Reply-To: Clayart
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: [CLAYART] Gold Glaze.....
>Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:27:02 EDT
>
>Perhaps you could tell us the name of the glaze and to what cone it fires,
>presumably in oxidation. Would like to be of help, but need to know more.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Veena
>
>
>In a message dated 3/29/2007 5:19:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>vannell59@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
> >
> > I am from New Jersey and get my supplies from Ceramic Supplies of NY and
> > NJ. I purchased a glaze that was suposed to make my projects look as if
>it
> > was gold. It did not work. Would anyone have any suggestions?
> >
>
>VeenaRaghavan@cs.com
>
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vanessa nelson on thu 29 mar 07
Well, for my Ceramic 2 class, I made Two smal square plates and I wanted to
try a different effect. They were hand made of clay and i used Amaco Lustre
and Metalilic Liquid Glaze and my plates came out very undesireable
>From: Lois Ruben Aronow
>Reply-To: Clayart
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: [CLAYART] Gold Glaze.....
>Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:13:00 -0400
>
>What sort of product? What are you firing to, and how did you fire the
>work? I ask, because if what you are using is luster, it has to be very
>specifically applied and fired.
>
>Sent via Treo Handheld
>
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>
>From: Vanessa Nelson
>Subj: Gold Glaze.....
>Date: Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:02 pm
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>
>I am from New Jersey and get my supplies from Ceramic Supplies of NY and
>NJ. I purchased a glaze that was suposed to make my projects look as if it
>was gold. It did not work. Would anyone have any suggestions?
>
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vanessa nelson on thu 29 mar 07
Thank you very much Lynn. I will try again with a heavyer coat.
>From: Lynn Goodman Porcelain Pottery
>Reply-To: Clayart
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: [CLAYART] Gold Glaze.....
>Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:25:53 -0400
>
>On Mar 29, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Vanessa Nelson wrote:
>
>>I am from New Jersey and get my supplies from Ceramic Supplies of
>>NY and
>>NJ. I purchased a glaze that was suposed to make my projects look
>>as if it
>>was gold. It did not work. Would anyone have any suggestions?
>
>
>You may simply not have enough glaze on your piece. Try it again with
>a heavier coat.
>
>Lynn
>
>
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>Fine Porcelain Pottery
>Cell 347-526-9805
>www.lynngoodmanporcelain.com
>
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vanessa nelson on thu 29 mar 07
What i used was Amaco Lustre and Metallic Liquid Glazes and the color was
Lustre Gold. I was supposed to apply 4 even coats in which I did, to bique
cone 3 and fire to cone 4. All that was done and the first setcame out a
dull blackish brown and the sencond set came out a metalic black like. What
went wrong?
>From: William & Susan Schran User
>Reply-To: Clayart
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: [CLAYART] Gold Glaze.....
>Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:47:04 -0400
>
>On 3/29/07 4:21 PM, "Vanessa Nelson" wrote:
>
> > I am from New Jersey and get my supplies from Ceramic Supplies of NY and
> > NJ. I purchased a glaze that was suposed to make my projects look as if
>it
> > was gold. It did not work. Would anyone have any suggestions?
>
>Call Ceramic Supplies of NY and NJ and ask them.
>
>Much more information is necessary, like name of glaze, firing temperature
>of glaze, how many coats did you apply?, what was your firing schedule?,
>what witness cone did you fire to?, what does the glaze look like now?
>
>
>--
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>
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Kathy McDonald on thu 29 mar 07
Vanessa,
I am not sure what type of gold material you are using
but I've had the misfortune of using about 35$ worth
of gold luster on the wrong surface.
The most common mistake made when using gold luster on any
project is
using it over the wrong under glaze.
Gold seems to need a fairly glassy surface under it to
render it shiny.
Perhaps you had a glaze under it that was too matte.
Gold also tends to fire kind of black and dull on raw clay.
Just some ideas.
Kathy
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On Behalf Of
vanessa
nelson
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:54 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Gold Glaze.....
Thank you very much Lynn. I will try again with a heavyer
coat.
>From: Lynn Goodman Porcelain Pottery
>Reply-To: Clayart
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: [CLAYART] Gold Glaze.....
>Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:25:53 -0400
>
>On Mar 29, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Vanessa Nelson wrote:
>
>>I am from New Jersey and get my supplies from Ceramic
Supplies of
>>NY and
>>NJ. I purchased a glaze that was suposed to make my
projects look
>>as if it
>>was gold. It did not work. Would anyone have any
suggestions?
>
>
>You may simply not have enough glaze on your piece. Try it
again with
>a heavier coat.
>
>Lynn
>
>
>Lynn Goodman
>Fine Porcelain Pottery
>Cell 347-526-9805
>www.lynngoodmanporcelain.com
>
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Veena Raghavan on thu 29 mar 07
Hi,
Thanks for the additional information. I have not used the Amaco gol glazes,
but I have used the Duncan ones, which are low fire to cone 04, and need three
to four good coats.
I have also used the Spectrum gold which fires to cone 5-6 and find the same
thing. It needs three good coats.
The other thing I have found is that these glazes need plenty of surface in
order to develop the gold color. If it is just a small area of decoration, I
get a muddy black, as the gold does not develop.
I think it is also important that they be fired to the cone specified. If I
may suggest, you should contact Amaco. Their technical people are very helpful
and nice.
Hope this helps.
Veena
Veena
In a message dated 3/29/2007 10:13:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
vannell59@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
>
>
> Sure, it is Amaco Lustre and Metallic Liquid Glazes, the color is Lustre
> Gold and should be fired at 4 cone . Thank you.
VeenaRaghavan@cs.com
Lois Ruben Aronow on fri 30 mar 07
Gold lustre (or any lustre or overglaze, for that matter) requires a 3rd
firing at ^018. there is also very specific prep work to be taken before
the lustre is applied. Lastly, the lustre takes on the effect of the glaze
under it: glossy glaze, glossy lustre. Matte glaze, matte lustre.
I don't know why you would put a lustre over a metallic glaze (which, I
assume, is a matte glaze), but hey, your pots. Just because they glaze and
the lustre are made by amaco doesn't mean they are necessarily compatible.
I hope that Lynn will weigh in on this -- she is the absolute QUEEN of
lustre.
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From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of vanessa nelson
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 9:49 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Gold Glaze.....
Sure, it is Amaco Lustre and Metallic Liquid Glazes, the color is Lustre
Gold and should be fired at 4 cone . Thank you.
>From: Veena Raghavan
>Reply-To: Clayart
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: [CLAYART] Gold Glaze.....
>Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:27:02 EDT
>
>Perhaps you could tell us the name of the glaze and to what cone it
>fires, presumably in oxidation. Would like to be of help, but need to know
more.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Veena
>
>
>In a message dated 3/29/2007 5:19:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>vannell59@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
> >
> > I am from New Jersey and get my supplies from Ceramic Supplies of NY
> > and NJ. I purchased a glaze that was suposed to make my projects
> > look as if
>it
> > was gold. It did not work. Would anyone have any suggestions?
> >
>
>VeenaRaghavan@cs.com
>
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vanessa nelson on fri 30 mar 07
That you so very much, I do appreciate any help.
>From: Eva Whitehead
>Reply-To: Clayart
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: [CLAYART] Gold Glaze.....
>Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:42:09 EDT
>
>This is what I have always used but it is quite expensive. I use the same
>gold I use
>on porcelain and fire at 019, It comes in drams and shines after fired but
>you only use
>one brush to put it over the glazed piece. I only use it on a handle, or a
>trim. Do not
>use it on unfired glaze or mix the brush either. Use only one brush and
>clean
>it each
>time for the next time.
>ew
>
>
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vanessa nelson on fri 30 mar 07
Kathy, I was using Amaco Lustre and Metallic Liquid Glaze. I did follow
the directions and it was still a mess.
>From: Kathy McDonald
>Reply-To: Clayart
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: [CLAYART] Gold Glaze.....
>Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:33:22 -0500
>
>Vanessa,
>
>I am not sure what type of gold material you are using
>but I've had the misfortune of using about 35$ worth
>of gold luster on the wrong surface.
>
>The most common mistake made when using gold luster on any
>project is
>using it over the wrong under glaze.
>
>Gold seems to need a fairly glassy surface under it to
>render it shiny.
>
>Perhaps you had a glaze under it that was too matte.
>
>Gold also tends to fire kind of black and dull on raw clay.
>
>Just some ideas.
>
>Kathy
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On Behalf Of
>vanessa
>nelson
>Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:54 PM
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: Gold Glaze.....
>
>
>Thank you very much Lynn. I will try again with a heavyer
>coat.
>
>
> >From: Lynn Goodman Porcelain Pottery
>
> >Reply-To: Clayart
> >To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> >Subject: Re: [CLAYART] Gold Glaze.....
> >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:25:53 -0400
> >
> >On Mar 29, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Vanessa Nelson wrote:
> >
> >>I am from New Jersey and get my supplies from Ceramic
>Supplies of
> >>NY and
> >>NJ. I purchased a glaze that was suposed to make my
>projects look
> >>as if it
> >>was gold. It did not work. Would anyone have any
>suggestions?
> >
> >
> >You may simply not have enough glaze on your piece. Try it
>again with
> >a heavier coat.
> >
> >Lynn
> >
> >
> >Lynn Goodman
> >Fine Porcelain Pottery
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William & Susan Schran User on fri 30 mar 07
On 3/29/07 9:49 PM, "vanessa nelson" wrote:
> Sure, it is Amaco Lustre and Metallic Liquid Glazes, the color is Lustre
> Gold and should be fired at 4 cone . Thank you.
Vanessa,
First, anytime you have a question, go to the source - in this instance it
would be Amaco. From their web site:
>Cone 06-05. These glazes provide the metallic look of hard steel and the h=
igh
brilliance of lustre. The end result is determined by the structure of the =
ware
and the method of application.
>Lustre and Metallic glazes can be used effectively in conjunction with oth=
er
>glazes or dramatically by themselves. Lustre and Metallic glazes can be hi=
gh
>fired to Cone 4-6 (2161 -2269=B0F, 1183 -1243=B0C) with fantastic results.
>Stir and mix Lustre and Metallic glazes thoroughly. They should be the
>consistency of rich cream. If thinning is necessary, add a little water an=
d
>AMACO Gum Solution. It is recommended to apply these glazes by brushing or
>sponging on a mature Cone 04 (1971=B0F, 1077=B0C) bisque fired surface. Fire t=
o
>Cone 06-05 (1855 -1911=B0F, 1013 -1044=B0C). L-518 only: fire to Cone 04 (1971=
=B0F,
1077=B0C).
>Lustre and Metallic glazes are available in liquid form in pint jars.
>**All L Series glazes are lead free except L-518.
So, was your glaze fired to a witness ^4-6?
Perhaps your particular glaze does not do well at ^4.
I'd suggest you apply additional coats and refire to ^06-04.
--=20
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William & Susan Schran User on fri 30 mar 07
On 3/29/07 10:12 PM, "vanessa nelson" wrote:
> What i used was Amaco Lustre and Metallic Liquid Glazes and the color was
> Lustre Gold. I was supposed to apply 4 even coats in which I did, to bique
> cone 3 and fire to cone 4. All that was done and the first setcame out a
> dull blackish brown and the sencond set came out a metalic black like. What
> went wrong?
I responded in another message with a clip from Amaco web site.
One question - Are you confusing cone 4 with cone 04?
Just wanted to make certain that you know the difference.
Some folks get confused with the cone designations.
You may be firing the glaze too high.
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Kathy McDonald on fri 30 mar 07
Vanessa,
What were you using as abase glaze
on your pot.
The reason I am asking is that the luster's
only work well if you have tem over an already fired
piece of work.
The exception to that seems to be in raku firing.
I use the luster's , amaco and duncan, on already fired
porcelain at cone 10 for accent.
Kathy
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On Behalf Of
vanessa
nelson
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 7:10 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Gold Glaze.....
Kathy, I was using Amaco Lustre and Metallic Liquid Glaze.
I did follow
the directions and it was still a mess.
>From: Kathy McDonald
>Reply-To: Clayart
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: [CLAYART] Gold Glaze.....
>Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:33:22 -0500
>
>Vanessa,
>
>I am not sure what type of gold material you are using
>but I've had the misfortune of using about 35$ worth
>of gold luster on the wrong surface.
>
>The most common mistake made when using gold luster on any
>project is
>using it over the wrong under glaze.
>
>Gold seems to need a fairly glassy surface under it to
>render it shiny.
>
>Perhaps you had a glaze under it that was too matte.
>
>Gold also tends to fire kind of black and dull on raw clay.
>
>Just some ideas.
>
>Kathy
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On Behalf Of
>vanessa
>nelson
>Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:54 PM
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: Gold Glaze.....
>
>
>Thank you very much Lynn. I will try again with a heavyer
>coat.
>
>
> >From: Lynn Goodman Porcelain Pottery
>
> >Reply-To: Clayart
> >To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> >Subject: Re: [CLAYART] Gold Glaze.....
> >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:25:53 -0400
> >
> >On Mar 29, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Vanessa Nelson wrote:
> >
> >>I am from New Jersey and get my supplies from Ceramic
>Supplies of
> >>NY and
> >>NJ. I purchased a glaze that was suposed to make my
>projects look
> >>as if it
> >>was gold. It did not work. Would anyone have any
>suggestions?
> >
> >
> >You may simply not have enough glaze on your piece. Try
it
>again with
> >a heavier coat.
> >
> >Lynn
> >
> >
> >Lynn Goodman
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Neal O'Briant on fri 30 mar 07
I wondered when looking at the Amaco website (and the
text that Bill copied) about the gold lustre glaze. The
text said that the lustres can be fired to cone 4-6
"with fantastic results." But the instructions say to
fire them to cone 06-05 and the L-518 only should be
fired to cone 04. Does that mean that the gold lustre
cannot be fired higher than cone 04 or that it takes
firing to cone 04 to turn out correctly?
I was looking at trying some of the gold lustre glaze--
but fortunately noticed that the gold lustre glaze has
lead in it before I bought any. There are pieces of
mine I'd love to have a gold lustre glaze in places as
an accent, but I don't want to fire any glazes with
lead in them.
My experiments in my next kiln load will be the Pompeian
ash glaze from Amaco plus some crawl glaze tests I'll be
mixing up.
Neal O'Briant
Bunny Lemak on fri 30 mar 07
>I responded in another message with a clip from Amaco web site.
>
>One question - Are you confusing cone 4 with cone 04?
>Just wanted to make certain that you know the difference.
>Some folks get confused with the cone designations.
>
>You may be firing the glaze too high.
>
>
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>
Good advice.
Also I found gold and lusters to be VERY testy when firing.
You MUST fire them with like pieces, anyting else in the kiln will
contanimate them! Plus for the first hour or so the lid needs to be open
along with all the peep holes. This allows the gases to escape, and not
go back on to the piece.
How I personally fire gold & lusters: (please remember this is MY way, it
may not be anyone else's way but this is what I do and get good results)
Place pieces in upper portion of kiln. Turn kiln on, open all vents and
leave lid open for 1 hour or until kiln reaches 1000 degrees - which ever
comes first.
At 1000 degrees, I lower the lid, but put brick in between top & lid (lid
is not shut completely). Close up all peep holes except top one. Keep it
this way until firing is complete.
I'm not sure what you have or have not been doing, but a lot of the time
they don't tell you about firing directions, and you have to learn the
hard way!
Good luck and let us know if any of answers have helped you!
Bunny
Lois Ruben Aronow on fri 30 mar 07
OK, so the original poster is not giving us much help here, and personally,
I'm frustrated. All this guessing and speculating is a drag.
#1 - Ceramics Supply of NY/NJ does NOT carry an Amaco metallic gold "glaze",
nor do they carry Amaco Lustres. I ordered lustre from them the other day,
and all they carry is Hanovia, regardless of what is says in their very
outdated catalog, which I have on my lap. I am fairly certain they don't
carry the L-518. even if they did, they'd be out of it - Ceramic Supply
sucks B A D.
#2 - the only thing that comes close to a metallic glaze is the Versacolor,
which gets fired to 017. And we're all assuming the other 'glaze" you used
was a lustre, which you have heard a lot about.
So OP - if you can give us some actual detail about what it is you used,
what sort of clay you used it on, etc., we can help figure out where you
went wrong and tell you how to avoid doing it again. There is no shame in
making a mistake - it is the only way you learn.
Please give us more details, because this guessing game is really
unproductive.
..lo
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Neal O'Briant
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 3:55 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Gold Glaze.....
I wondered when looking at the Amaco website (and the text that Bill copied)
about the gold lustre glaze. The text said that the lustres can be fired to
cone 4-6 "with fantastic results." But the instructions say to fire them to
cone 06-05 and the L-518 only should be fired to cone 04. Does that mean
that the gold lustre cannot be fired higher than cone 04 or that it takes
firing to cone 04 to turn out correctly?
I was looking at trying some of the gold lustre glaze-- but fortunately
noticed that the gold lustre glaze has lead in it before I bought any. There
are pieces of mine I'd love to have a gold lustre glaze in places as an
accent, but I don't want to fire any glazes with lead in them.
My experiments in my next kiln load will be the Pompeian ash glaze from
Amaco plus some crawl glaze tests I'll be mixing up.
Neal O'Briant
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Eva Whitehead on fri 30 mar 07
Do not use the Hanovia gold on wet clay, and be sure it has been glazed
before you
use it. If you have to wipe it off use a piece of cloth soaked in alcohol and
wait a few
minutes before applying it.
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If you can get a dram of Hanovia gold, by all means get it. That is wonderful
to apply
evenly for a beautiful gold after it is fired to either 018,or 019 cone. I
didn't know they
still made Hanovia gold any more. I have a few drams of it from earlier years
buying and hope it hasn't dried up in the bottles.
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Try Loew Cornell supply catalogs. I do not have their address any more and I
am sure they are still in business.
Go to Google and check for them as they did have about anything one would
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vanessa nelson on sun 1 apr 07
I believe there was a misunderstanding, the lustre and mettalic glaze is one
product. It is an all in one product that I used on something i made.
>From: Lois Ruben Aronow
>Reply-To: Clayart
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: [CLAYART] Gold Glaze.....
>Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:49:37 -0400
>
>Gold lustre (or any lustre or overglaze, for that matter) requires a 3rd
>firing at ^018. there is also very specific prep work to be taken before
>the lustre is applied. Lastly, the lustre takes on the effect of the glaze
>under it: glossy glaze, glossy lustre. Matte glaze, matte lustre.
>
>I don't know why you would put a lustre over a metallic glaze (which, I
>assume, is a matte glaze), but hey, your pots. Just because they glaze and
>the lustre are made by amaco doesn't mean they are necessarily compatible.
>
>I hope that Lynn will weigh in on this -- she is the absolute QUEEN of
>lustre.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of vanessa nelson
>Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 9:49 PM
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: Gold Glaze.....
>
>Sure, it is Amaco Lustre and Metallic Liquid Glazes, the color is Lustre
>Gold and should be fired at 4 cone . Thank you.
>
>
> >From: Veena Raghavan
> >Reply-To: Clayart
> >To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> >Subject: Re: [CLAYART] Gold Glaze.....
> >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:27:02 EDT
> >
> >Perhaps you could tell us the name of the glaze and to what cone it
> >fires, presumably in oxidation. Would like to be of help, but need to
>know
>more.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Veena
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 3/29/2007 5:19:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >vannell59@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
> > >
> > > I am from New Jersey and get my supplies from Ceramic Supplies of NY
> > > and NJ. I purchased a glaze that was suposed to make my projects
> > > look as if
> >it
> > > was gold. It did not work. Would anyone have any suggestions?
> > >
> >
> >VeenaRaghavan@cs.com
> >
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vanessa nelson on sun 1 apr 07
Thank you but I was firing at cone 04. But I will try again to see if
there is a difference.
>From: Bunny Lemak
>Reply-To: Clayart
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: [CLAYART] Gold Glaze.....
>Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:33:33 -0500
>
> >I responded in another message with a clip from Amaco web site.
> >
> >One question - Are you confusing cone 4 with cone 04?
> >Just wanted to make certain that you know the difference.
> >Some folks get confused with the cone designations.
> >
> >You may be firing the glaze too high.
> >
> >
> >--
> >William "Bill" Schran
> >wschran@cox.net
> >wschran@nvcc.edu
> >http://www.creativecreekartisans.com
> >
>
>
>Good advice.
>
>Also I found gold and lusters to be VERY testy when firing.
>
>You MUST fire them with like pieces, anyting else in the kiln will
>contanimate them! Plus for the first hour or so the lid needs to be open
>along with all the peep holes. This allows the gases to escape, and not
>go back on to the piece.
>
>How I personally fire gold & lusters: (please remember this is MY way, it
>may not be anyone else's way but this is what I do and get good results)
>
>Place pieces in upper portion of kiln. Turn kiln on, open all vents and
>leave lid open for 1 hour or until kiln reaches 1000 degrees - which ever
>comes first.
>
>At 1000 degrees, I lower the lid, but put brick in between top & lid (lid
>is not shut completely). Close up all peep holes except top one. Keep it
>this way until firing is complete.
>
>
>I'm not sure what you have or have not been doing, but a lot of the time
>they don't tell you about firing directions, and you have to learn the
>hard way!
>
>Good luck and let us know if any of answers have helped you!
>
>Bunny
>
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vanessa nelson on sun 1 apr 07
You are absolutly right about the lead contnet of L-518 because even though
it says dinnerware safe, it does cntain lead. How safe is that?
>From: William & Susan Schran User
>Reply-To: Clayart
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: [CLAYART] Gold Glaze.....
>Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:29:39 -0400
>
>On 3/29/07 9:49 PM, "vanessa nelson" wrote:
>
> > Sure, it is Amaco Lustre and Metallic Liquid Glazes, the color is Lustre
> > Gold and should be fired at 4 cone . Thank you.
>
>Vanessa,
>
>First, anytime you have a question, go to the source - in this instance it
>would be Amaco. From their web site:
>
> >Cone 06-05. These glazes provide the metallic look of hard steel and the
>high
>brilliance of lustre. The end result is determined by the structure of the
>ware
>and the method of application.
>
> >Lustre and Metallic glazes can be used effectively in conjunction with
>other
> >glazes or dramatically by themselves. Lustre and Metallic glazes can be
>high
> >fired to Cone 4-6 (2161 -2269°F, 1183 -1243°C) with fantastic results.
>
> >Stir and mix Lustre and Metallic glazes thoroughly. They should be the
> >consistency of rich cream. If thinning is necessary, add a little water
>and
> >AMACO Gum Solution. It is recommended to apply these glazes by brushing
>or
> >sponging on a mature Cone 04 (1971°F, 1077°C) bisque fired surface. Fire
>to
> >Cone 06-05 (1855 -1911°F, 1013 -1044°C). L-518 only: fire to Cone 04
>(1971°F,
>1077°C).
>
> >Lustre and Metallic glazes are available in liquid form in pint jars.
>
> >**All L Series glazes are lead free except L-518.
>
>So, was your glaze fired to a witness ^4-6?
>Perhaps your particular glaze does not do well at ^4.
>I'd suggest you apply additional coats and refire to ^06-04.
>
>
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vanessa nelson on sun 1 apr 07
Yes, my pieces were already fired. But, it may have ben fired at the wrong
tempurature, But not likely.
>From: Kathy McDonald
>Reply-To: Clayart
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: [CLAYART] Gold Glaze.....
>Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:53:08 -0500
>
>Vanessa,
>
>What were you using as abase glaze
>on your pot.
>
>The reason I am asking is that the luster's
>only work well if you have tem over an already fired
>piece of work.
>
>The exception to that seems to be in raku firing.
>
>I use the luster's , amaco and duncan, on already fired
>porcelain at cone 10 for accent.
>
>Kathy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On Behalf Of
>vanessa
>nelson
>Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 7:10 AM
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: Gold Glaze.....
>
>
>Kathy, I was using Amaco Lustre and Metallic Liquid Glaze.
>I did follow
>the directions and it was still a mess.
>
>
> >From: Kathy McDonald
> >Reply-To: Clayart
> >To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> >Subject: Re: [CLAYART] Gold Glaze.....
> >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:33:22 -0500
> >
> >Vanessa,
> >
> >I am not sure what type of gold material you are using
> >but I've had the misfortune of using about 35$ worth
> >of gold luster on the wrong surface.
> >
> >The most common mistake made when using gold luster on any
> >project is
> >using it over the wrong under glaze.
> >
> >Gold seems to need a fairly glassy surface under it to
> >render it shiny.
> >
> >Perhaps you had a glaze under it that was too matte.
> >
> >Gold also tends to fire kind of black and dull on raw clay.
> >
> >Just some ideas.
> >
> >Kathy
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On Behalf Of
> >vanessa
> >nelson
> >Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:54 PM
> >To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> >Subject: Re: Gold Glaze.....
> >
> >
> >Thank you very much Lynn. I will try again with a heavyer
> >coat.
> >
> >
> > >From: Lynn Goodman Porcelain Pottery
> >
> > >Reply-To: Clayart
> > >To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> > >Subject: Re: [CLAYART] Gold Glaze.....
> > >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:25:53 -0400
> > >
> > >On Mar 29, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Vanessa Nelson wrote:
> > >
> > >>I am from New Jersey and get my supplies from Ceramic
> >Supplies of
> > >>NY and
> > >>NJ. I purchased a glaze that was suposed to make my
> >projects look
> > >>as if it
> > >>was gold. It did not work. Would anyone have any
> >suggestions?
> > >
> > >
> > >You may simply not have enough glaze on your piece. Try
>it
> >again with
> > >a heavier coat.
> > >
> > >Lynn
> > >
> > >
> > >Lynn Goodman
> > >Fine Porcelain Pottery
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vanessa nelson on sun 1 apr 07
Thank you, I have never though of that! Thank you, my mom always says, ":
Ask the profesonals!"
>From: William & Susan Schran User
>Reply-To: Clayart
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: [CLAYART] Gold Glaze.....
>Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:34:21 -0400
>
>On 3/29/07 10:12 PM, "vanessa nelson" wrote:
>
> > What i used was Amaco Lustre and Metallic Liquid Glazes and the color
>was
> > Lustre Gold. I was supposed to apply 4 even coats in which I did, to
>bique
> > cone 3 and fire to cone 4. All that was done and the first setcame out
>a
> > dull blackish brown and the sencond set came out a metalic black like.
>What
> > went wrong?
>
>I responded in another message with a clip from Amaco web site.
>
>One question - Are you confusing cone 4 with cone 04?
>Just wanted to make certain that you know the difference.
>Some folks get confused with the cone designations.
>
>You may be firing the glaze too high.
>
>
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>wschran@nvcc.edu
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vanessa nelson on sun 1 apr 07
Well, unfortunatly as you say, Ceramic Supply of NY and NJ does suck B A D
because i asctually walked inside and picked up the Amaco Lustre Glaze
myself. It was brand new and at first it was only in 4 oz jars, them a few
months later , I saw them in pint jars. And it is the L-518. I live les
then 9 moles from the place, I used to go in once a week before I became
upset with one of the employees.
Now I believe I went wrong with what cone i fired my piece after applying
the product. It states Cone 04 and I may have done so at 4. But I will
state over to see if I get different results.
PS, if you would like me to purchase this product and ship it to you, I
would. Vanessa
>From: Lois Ruben Aronow
>Reply-To: Clayart
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: [CLAYART] Gold Glaze.....
>Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:36:45 -0400
>
>OK, so the original poster is not giving us much help here, and personally,
>I'm frustrated. All this guessing and speculating is a drag.
>
>#1 - Ceramics Supply of NY/NJ does NOT carry an Amaco metallic gold
>"glaze",
>nor do they carry Amaco Lustres. I ordered lustre from them the other day,
>and all they carry is Hanovia, regardless of what is says in their very
>outdated catalog, which I have on my lap. I am fairly certain they don't
>carry the L-518. even if they did, they'd be out of it - Ceramic Supply
>sucks B A D.
>
>#2 - the only thing that comes close to a metallic glaze is the Versacolor,
>which gets fired to 017. And we're all assuming the other 'glaze" you used
>was a lustre, which you have heard a lot about.
>
>So OP - if you can give us some actual detail about what it is you used,
>what sort of clay you used it on, etc., we can help figure out where you
>went wrong and tell you how to avoid doing it again. There is no shame in
>making a mistake - it is the only way you learn.
>
>Please give us more details, because this guessing game is really
>unproductive.
>
>..lo
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG] On Behalf Of Neal O'Briant
>Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 3:55 PM
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: Gold Glaze.....
>
>I wondered when looking at the Amaco website (and the text that Bill
>copied)
>about the gold lustre glaze. The text said that the lustres can be fired to
>cone 4-6 "with fantastic results." But the instructions say to fire them to
>cone 06-05 and the L-518 only should be fired to cone 04. Does that mean
>that the gold lustre cannot be fired higher than cone 04 or that it takes
>firing to cone 04 to turn out correctly?
>
>I was looking at trying some of the gold lustre glaze-- but fortunately
>noticed that the gold lustre glaze has lead in it before I bought any.
>There
>are pieces of mine I'd love to have a gold lustre glaze in places as an
>accent, but I don't want to fire any glazes with lead in them.
>
>My experiments in my next kiln load will be the Pompeian ash glaze from
>Amaco plus some crawl glaze tests I'll be mixing up.
>
>Neal O'Briant
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vanessa nelson on sun 1 apr 07
Thank you very much. I have never used Hanovia gold.
>From: Eva Whitehead
>Reply-To: Clayart
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: [CLAYART] Gold Glaze.....
>Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:40:31 EDT
>
>Do not use the Hanovia gold on wet clay, and be sure it has been glazed
>before you
>use it. If you have to wipe it off use a piece of cloth soaked in alcohol
>and
>wait a few
>minutes before applying it.
>Happy painting.
>ew
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vanessa nelson on sun 1 apr 07
Thank you, I will look up this company . It is always good to try other
places and compare.
>From: Eva Whitehead
>Reply-To: Clayart
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: [CLAYART] Gold Glaze.....
>Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:47:35 EDT
>
>Try Loew Cornell supply catalogs. I do not have their address any more and
>I
>am sure they are still in business.
>Go to Google and check for them as they did have about anything one would
>want in
>way of craft supplies.
>ew
>
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