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asim mahmood on mon 25 jun 07


I am about 50 years and have been throwing for the past 12 years.
Last year, while hitting the nail with hammer I hit my left handís middle
finger central knuckle with precision. Resultantly, there was a lot of
swelling which subsided with normal anti inflammatory medicines. X- Ray
turned it to be normal but it was diagnosed as Tendonitis with no history of
arthritis.
Some times later, while bending this finger I could hear crackling
sound and then I started observing a small swelling appearing and
disappearing on the knuckle while doing some strenuous work. In May this
year while loading and off loading the stuff for my show the problem got
aggravated and again I had to go to my Doctor. Now the swelling is receding
at a very slow pace with anti inflammatory medicines and there is no pain in
the effected area. I have also researched on the inter net with no definite
remedy. Now I am a bit scared of throwing and for the past two months I have
not touched the clay.
I am in real agony and finally turning to my own folks for help and
advice so I could keep throwing. Regards, Asim

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Frank Gaydos on mon 25 jun 07


Asim,

I get arthritis very bad at the base of my thumbs. It feels like a very hot
needle is being pushed in the joint. I used to get a steroid shot every
month to keep the pain at bay. However, I noticed that the pain disappeared
when I took Omega-3 marine oil capsules for my cholesterol. Now, I take four
capsules a day and am pain free! I found the company called Res-Q 1250 works
very well. (N3 Oceanic, Inc.) Each capsule contains 1250 mg of oil. Another
brand should contain the active ingredients called EPA and DHA. They are a
natural anti-inflammatory.

Hope that helps. Hey Jen!

Frank


----- Original Message -----
From: "asim mahmood"
To:
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 10:52 AM
Subject: Please advice


> I am about 50 years and have been throwing for the past 12
> years.
> Last year, while hitting the nail with hammer I hit my left hand's middle
> finger central knuckle with precision. Resultantly, there was a lot of
> swelling which subsided with normal anti inflammatory medicines. X- Ray
> turned it to be normal but it was diagnosed as Tendonitis with no history
> of
> arthritis.
> Some times later, while bending this finger I could hear crackling
> sound and then I started observing a small swelling appearing and
> disappearing on the knuckle while doing some strenuous work. In May this
> year while loading and off loading the stuff for my show the problem got
> aggravated and again I had to go to my Doctor. Now the swelling is
> receding
> at a very slow pace with anti inflammatory medicines and there is no pain
> in
> the effected area. I have also researched on the inter net with no
> definite
> remedy. Now I am a bit scared of throwing and for the past two months I
> have
> not touched the clay.
> I am in real agony and finally turning to my own folks for help and
> advice so I could keep throwing. Regards, Asim
>
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lela martens on mon 25 jun 07


Hi Asim,

You and I and many, many others on this list get wake up calls such as
these
at about this age and years of clay work. I`ve been going through similar,
so
I`ll tell you what I`ve learned so far.
Glucosamine with chondroitin, found in the vitamine dept has helped my
hands and wrists
tremendously. It helped with carpal tunnel and stiff `trigger finger`.
Surgery may be in
the future, but I`ve hedged it for now.
Then, a little while ago, I was really pushing the throwing and wedging
too far, used
to my body behaving as it did in younger days. I woke up in terrible pain,
dr.
diagnosed pulled , probably tearing of muscle above elbow. The
anti-inflamatory meds
helped with the pain only a bit, and he told me it would take time. With the
pain so bad, I tried accupucture for the first time. After 3 sessions I was
almost pain free.
It seems to work by `jump starting` the area to heal itself. I am going to
learn more about that.
So, it worked for me. It doesn`t for everybody, about 8 out of 10 people I
have questioned.
Worth a try from me. I`m going back to claywork slowly, researching how to
prepare
my body for wedging-throwing sessions, stretching, such.

I don`t think there is `a definate remedy`. People are different. We have to
find
what works for us, and that can be frustrating.
Good luck!
Lela, on the prairies where it`s threatening rain, and that would be a good
thing.

>I have also researched on the inter net with no definite
>remedy. Now I am a bit scared of throwing and for the past two months I
>have
>not touched the clay.
> I am in real agony and finally turning to my own folks for help and
>advice so I could keep throwing. Regards, Asim

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asim mahmood on mon 25 jun 07


Lela,
I wrote to Clayart as a last resort, I was really very much
depressed. Thanks for the response.


>From: lela martens
>Reply-To: Clayart
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: Please advice
>Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:47:19 +0000
>
>Hi Asim,
>
> You and I and many, many others on this list get wake up calls such as
>these
>at about this age and years of clay work. I`ve been going through similar,
>so
>I`ll tell you what I`ve learned so far.
> Glucosamine with chondroitin, found in the vitamine dept has helped my
>hands and wrists
>tremendously. It helped with carpal tunnel and stiff `trigger finger`.
>Surgery may be in
>the future, but I`ve hedged it for now.
> Then, a little while ago, I was really pushing the throwing and wedging
>too far, used
>to my body behaving as it did in younger days. I woke up in terrible pain,
>dr.
>diagnosed pulled , probably tearing of muscle above elbow. The
>anti-inflamatory meds
>helped with the pain only a bit, and he told me it would take time. With
>the
>pain so bad, I tried accupucture for the first time. After 3 sessions I was
>almost pain free.
> It seems to work by `jump starting` the area to heal itself. I am going
>to
>learn more about that.
> So, it worked for me. It doesn`t for everybody, about 8 out of 10 people
>I
>have questioned.
>Worth a try from me. I`m going back to claywork slowly, researching how to
>prepare
>my body for wedging-throwing sessions, stretching, such.
>
>I don`t think there is `a definate remedy`. People are different. We have
>to
>find
>what works for us, and that can be frustrating.
>Good luck!
>Lela, on the prairies where it`s threatening rain, and that would be a good
>thing.
>
>>I have also researched on the inter net with no definite
>>remedy. Now I am a bit scared of throwing and for the past two months I
>>have
>>not touched the clay.
>> I am in real agony and finally turning to my own folks for help
>>and
>>advice so I could keep throwing. Regards, Asim
>
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Lee Love on mon 25 jun 07


On 6/25/07, lela martens wrote:

> Glucosamine with chondroitin, found in the vitamine dept has helped my
> hands and wrists
> tremendously.

E is good to, as well as swapping fish for meat in your diet.

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Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
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Bonnie Staffel on tue 26 jun 07


Hi Lela,

Seems to me it is time for you to think about investing in an extruding pug
mill. Then no more kneading would hurt your body. You could put all your
energies into just throwing. The, following that, learning the coil and
slab method will also ease any pain of centering a large block of clay.
Just pushing my method as it has worked for me for a very long time.

Bonnie Staffel

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A Kettner on tue 26 jun 07


Try taking a couple fish oil capsules a day. I had chronic tennis
elbow and I don't anymore.

Arthur

On 6/25/07, Lee Love wrote:
> On 6/25/07, lela martens wrote:
>
> > Glucosamine with chondroitin, found in the vitamine dept has helped my
> > hands and wrists
> > tremendously.
>
> E is good to, as well as swapping fish for meat in your diet.
>
> --
> Lee in Mashiko, Japan
> Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
> http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
>
> "To affect the quality of the day, that is the highest of arts." -
> Henry David Thoreau
>
> "Let the beauty we love be what we do." - Rumi
>
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>

asim mahmood on tue 26 jun 07


Kettner,
Thanks for the advice, can you please suggest any brand. Thanks.
Asim


>From: A Kettner
>Reply-To: Clayart
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: Please advice
>Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:15:42 -0400
>
>Try taking a couple fish oil capsules a day. I had chronic tennis
>elbow and I don't anymore.
>
>Arthur
>
>On 6/25/07, Lee Love wrote:
>>On 6/25/07, lela martens wrote:
>>
>> > Glucosamine with chondroitin, found in the vitamine dept has helped
>>my
>> > hands and wrists
>> > tremendously.
>>
>>E is good to, as well as swapping fish for meat in your diet.
>>
>>--
>>Lee in Mashiko, Japan
>>Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
>>http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
>>
>>"To affect the quality of the day, that is the highest of arts." -
>>Henry David Thoreau
>>
>>"Let the beauty we love be what we do." - Rumi
>>
>>______________________________________________________________________________
>>Send postings to clayart@lsv.ceramics.org
>>
>>You may look at the archives for the list or change your subscription
>>settings from http://www.ceramics.org/clayart/
>>
>>Moderator of the list is Mel Jacobson who may be reached at
>>melpots@pclink.com.
>>
>
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Linda - Pacifica on tue 26 jun 07


Those omega-3 capsules have given me as much mobility as the
occasional doses of steroids the doc gave me for my back problems:
bilateral sciatica from squished discs and stenosis. Osteo-Biflex or
its equivalent also help.

I hope to get back to ceramics starting today at the community
college! Yeah.

Linda
On Jun 26, 2007, at 7:15 AM, A Kettner wrote:

> Try taking a couple fish oil capsules a day. I had chronic tennis
> elbow and I don't anymore.
>
> Arthur
>
> On 6/25/07, Lee Love wrote:
>> On 6/25/07, lela martens wrote:
>>
>> > Glucosamine with chondroitin, found in the vitamine dept has
>> helped my
>> > hands and wrists
>> > tremendously.
>>
>> E is good to, as well as swapping fish for meat in your diet.
>>
>> --
>> Lee in Mashiko, Japan
>> Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
>> http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/
>>
>> "To affect the quality of the day, that is the highest of arts." -
>> Henry David Thoreau
>>
>> "Let the beauty we love be what we do." - Rumi
>>
>> _____________________________________________________________________
>> _________
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>>
>
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Ivor and Olive Lewis on wed 27 jun 07


Dear Frank Gaydos,=20

Re Fish Oil. Great stuff. I'm brave enough to drink it straight, Ten mls =
per day, about twice your dose.

But recently I was having problems when small bruises, thanks to the =
teeth of the new pup were not healing as fast as anticipated. Being in =
the Surgery for my "Roadworthiness Certificate" I asked Sean about this. =
He put me on Fish Oil some time ago . Apparently this can affect the =
fine capillaries as it cleans them out. Spring cleaned they tend to seep =
for longer after bruising if you are taking fish oil. He told me "Either =
stop the fish oil and look pretty or ignore the ugly sight" Then have =
cleared up now.

Best regards,

Ivor Lewis.
Redhill,
South Australia.

Kathi LeSueur on wed 27 jun 07


Lee Love wrote:

> I had been having shoulder pain and limited rotation in
> Japan. I forgot to pack my allergy/asthma medicine for my flight to
> Mpls. Only had "emergency" amounts in my carry on. enough for about
> 4 days (jean mailed me my meds and they arrived in about 10 days.)
>
> Low & behold, after not taking asthma meds for a week,
> I still had no symptoms. ...
> But the other interesting thing is that, without my
> recognizing it at first, my shoulder pain dissappeared and I could
> lift my arms over my head again!>>>>
>
>

My partner, who has been taking Femara since her treatment for breast
cancer, had been experiencing shoulder pain. She left her medication at
a hotel after a show and insurance wouldn't replace it until the refill
was due. So, she didn't take it for two weeks and in that time her
shoulder pain disappeared. She went back on the Femara and the pain came
back. She discussed it with her oncologist, went off of Femara, and onto
Tamoxifin. No shoullder pain.

This makes me wonder how many other medications are causing pains like
this.

Kathi

Allyson May on wed 27 jun 07


Taking fish oil, glucosamine/chondroitin and vit. E are all good for =
you. However, they may just pacify the problem for a while. You should =
try to find out exactly what movements are causing your pain and try to =
modify/correct them. I had tendonitis in both elbows which kept me from =
working and sleeping. Physical therapy, meds and rest were not cutting =
it. Went to an acupuncturist. She not only did the acupuncture but =
asked to see how I worked. We discovered that my wedging table was too =
high and this was stressing my elbows and wrists. Corrected the =
problem. She stressed that I keep working during the acupuncture =
therapy, not rest. In 8 sessions I was pain free. The height =
adjustment to my table has really made a difference. I still do a =
session or two of acupuncture every few months just to make sure I don't =
have a problem lurking. I have since purchased a small pugmill to do =
most of my reclaim and that has helped as well. My acupuncturist said =
"Pain is your friend. It lets you know something is wrong and you need =
to stop and take a look before it stops you."
Peace,
Allyson May
Stoney Creek Pottery
Bloomington, IN

lela martens on wed 27 jun 07


>Taking fish oil, glucosamine/chondroitin and vit. E are all good for you.
>However, they may just pacify the problem for a while. You should try to
>find out exactly what movements are causing your pain and try to
>modify/correct them.

I agree. I am working on a better way to brace that left arm.
Am rethinking a whole bunch of things now that I truly understand I
am not invincible anymore. ;>)

Lela

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lela martens on wed 27 jun 07


>Seems to me it is time for you to think about investing in an extruding pug
>mill. Then no more kneading would hurt your body.

Hi Bonnie,
Yes. I have been putting out feelers for a used one ,
but that`s unlikely in this area.
Budget is a big concern, but the priority list has shifted, raising the mill
up a
couple of levels.

The, following that, learning the coil and
>slab method will also ease any pain of centering a large block of clay.
>Just pushing my method as it has worked for me for a very long time.

The injury has also forced me to re-evaluate, what have I been doing anyway?
Pumping out the tried and true that sells and wears me out. I have been
watching
your video and now that the arm is almost healed, have started on a
slab-coil
sculptural piece for our up coming family exhibit. I thank you.

Very best wishes from Lela, who is helping husband`s 89 year old`lost-wax`
sculptor uncle become familiar with clay. Understandably, a torch to soften
wax is not allowed in the long-term care facility, so he is swiching to
clay.
I feel honoured to be part of bringing that excited, eureaka! expression
back
to his face.


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Lee Love on wed 27 jun 07


I had been having shoulder pain and limited rotation in
Japan. I forgot to pack my allergy/asthma medicine for my flight to
Mpls. Only had "emergency" amounts in my carry on. enough for about
4 days (jean mailed me my meds and they arrived in about 10 days.)

Low & behold, after not taking asthma meds for a week,
I still had no symptoms. My allergic reactions must have been
related to something in the environment in Japan. I have never had
asthma symptoms in the USA. So, I stopped taking asthma and allergy
medication.

But the other interesting thing is that, without my
recognizing it at first, my shoulder pain dissappeared and I could
lift my arms over my head again!

I don't know if the allergies also effected my joints or if
the medication had a side effect of effecting my joints. Should do
some research on the web.

Still taking bp meds. Runs on both sides of my family.

--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
http://mashikopots.blogspot.com/

"To affect the quality of the day, that is the highest of arts." -
Henry David Thoreau

"Let the beauty we love be what we do." - Rumi