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### Deborah Thuman on wed 8 sep 10

I'm using Anasazi ^6 and I LOVE the color the naked clay turns in
reduction. I want to make a special jar with turtles appliqued on. I
have a turtle mold and the turtles will be hollow. Yes, I know I need
to poke a hole in each turtle in an inconspicuous place. Because I
love the color of the naked clay, I would prefer not to glaze the
outside.

I intend to score and slip and use a bit of Wanda's Magic Water to
attach the turtles.

Question: Am I begging for problems with falling turtles if I don't
glaze the piece? The piece is to be a gift for a friend who doesn't
play in the mud.

Thanks.

Deb Thuman
http://debthumansblog.blogspot.com/
http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=3D5888059

### gary navarre on thu 9 sep 10

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### Snail Scott on thu 9 sep 10

On Sep 8, 2010, at 8:00 PM, Deborah Thuman wrote:
> ...I want to make a special jar with turtles appliqued on. I
> have a turtle mold and the turtles will be hollow...
> Am I begging for problems with falling turtles if I don't
> glaze the piece?

Glaze should make little difference, A good joint is a
good joint.

By the way, I don't know how coarse this clay body is,
but more 'open' bodies can often allow for small air
pockets to go unvented with no ill effects, as the air
pressure due to heat is a slow enough increase to be
vented through the porosity between particles. Try
making a little bubble with the same internal volume
and clay thickness as your turtles (or stick a turtle on
a test piece) and test-fire without piercing. It might be
just fine.

-Snail

### Cathi Newlin on thu 9 sep 10

Deb,
I don't know if this will be any help, but I recently did a heavily
sprigged plate.
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(I know you're on facebook so you can see it)

I used plain old slip to attach the pieces, and just dried very very slowly=
.
I wanted it to be pretty much bare clay except for the iron oxide wash
(the colored bits are inlaid slip).
I just washed a fairly thin coat of clear over the entire piece and then
wiped it off. It left enough glaze in the "creases" to I think add a
little extra bonding of the slab abd the sprigs, but I only had a very
very light matte sheen on the rest of the piece.

So, I think the glaze is sort of incidental, and simply drying the piece
very slowly to sort of homogenize all the clay to the same moisture
content will be the key.

On 9/8/2010 6:00 PM, Deborah Thuman wrote:
> I'm using Anasazi ^6 and I LOVE the color the naked clay turns in
> reduction. I want to make a special jar with turtles appliqued on. I
> have a turtle mold and the turtles will be hollow. Yes, I know I need
> to poke a hole in each turtle in an inconspicuous place. Because I
> love the color of the naked clay, I would prefer not to glaze the
> outside.
>
> I intend to score and slip and use a bit of Wanda's Magic Water to
> attach the turtles.
>
> Question: Am I begging for problems with falling turtles if I don't
> glaze the piece? The piece is to be a gift for a friend who doesn't
> play in the mud.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Deb Thuman
> http://debthumansblog.blogspot.com/
> http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=3D5888059
>
>

--
Cathi Newlin, Angels Camp, Ca
box49@caltel.com
http://www.cnewlin.com

### Jeanie Silver on fri 10 sep 10

Dear Deborah

There will always be a problem with falling turtles if you have not
convinced them they can fly....sorry, I couldn't resist...
Jeanie in Pa.