Cheryl Thiruvathukal on mon 20 aug 12
Hello,
I am new to Clayart, but I am/was so happy to find it. Right away, I had=
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a
community of potters, from varying levels. I liked that I could learn fr=
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om
the novice to advanced potters. I think it is a great idea, so please ta=
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ke
no offence to what follows. I saw a heading "How The American University =
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Was
Killed" and took a peek. I have also looked at different discussions on
here, admittedly enjoying the discussions about pottery more than politic=
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al,
legal, and/or social and economic issues. Many of those topics are "hot"=
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ones and usually cause an emotional response and are based on opinion.=3D20=
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=3D20
I looked at my email today and noticed a comment. I immediately felt for=
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the person commenting as it affected her and she had something to say. N=
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ot
knowing what the rules are fully about names, etc., I am going to steer a=
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way
from listing names--it is irrelevant. I will explain briefly what was sa=
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id
iniitially that bothered this person and me (for context only).=3D20=3D20
The main part that bothered me was the implication that allowing adult
children to be insured until 26 is an example of allowing children to rem=
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ain
babies instead of treating them like the adults they are. As a dedicated=
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mom, I find it judgemental to say that an extension of childhood is a
negative thing to start with. At 18, it isn't as though, that is it.=3D20
Furthermore, insurance is a very difficult thing to get even if one works=
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.=3D20
Not all jobs offer benefits. Healthy people in general as kids or adults
yield healthier adults and likely more participation in society. If we c=
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an
allow our children to have insurance, help the, and/or they try to help =
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or
even cover the cost, is that so bad? Parents help their kids with
"education" of all sorts. Medical problems care can take a person out
financially leading to devastation in the family. Obviously, it is
affecting society to have uninsured or underinsured people. I couldn't g=
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et
insurance at 18, and I was really sick. I took a job and got good insuran=
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ce
with a lot of abuse (racism/harrassment on the job). I got benefits. Th=
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e
cost was tremendous though personally, and I will leave it out.=3D20=3D20
This a a complex issue to me and I mean the whole thing. The topic or
University, insurance, and adult children is intricrate. I hate to see
people getting hurt on a forum that has so much to offer. I know that th=
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is
discussion has bothered me a bit. I can't help but wonder, shouldn't the=
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re
be some consideration of the feelings of those reading? I know I wrote a=
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lot, but I felt someone needed to say something again. I told the person=
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that wrote, "I totally agree. This type of rudeness should not even be o=
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n.
Too judgemental. Good reply. Hopefully, it helps. ;-) Take care. Cheryl"=
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.=3D20
This represents my feelings now as an artist, mom, and member of society.=
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Enough said. Even this is my expression of opinion. I hope it is received=
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well. To the person helping their child--good job! My father walked away=
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when I turned 18 leaving me sick and uninsured.
Kind regards,
Cheryl=3D20=3D20=3D20
Gayle Bair on mon 20 aug 12
Hi Cheryl,
Welcome to Clayart!
I'm glad you were brave and posted your response to a hot issue.
Here's a few points I have learned over the years I've been on Clayart.
1. You are right queries should be clay related as stated in clayart rules
and there are some things best kept out of discussion and are way off topic
and non-productive as you noted in your first posting.
2. No question is too stupid.... feel free to ask anything but if you check
archives first your answer will likely be right there. You will be amazed
when our gurus ever so patiently and repeatedly answer our queries.
3.Don't take it personally if one of our more annoying members throws darts=
.
4. If you get really angry and write a flaming posting wait until the next
day then re-read it when you are calm. You will likely amend the
posting.
5. Often what someone posts is misinterpreted. Email does not allow you to
see the face of the person talking or the intonations of voice. The poster
may think they are being funny but it might read as an insult.
6. I have made lifelong friends on this list and you will too.
7. Try to get to at least one NCECA. We now have a Clayart room there! Once
you walk in you will surrounded and welcomed in person by your new clay
family! I'd bet if our few really annoying members ever showed up in our
Clayart room their attitude would greatly change for the better. At least
that is my hope.
Gayle - A happy and grateful Clayart member since 1998 or 9 who has learned
so much about clay, life, business, art & friendship. I never expected that
would happen but so happy it did!
Gayle Bair Pottery
gayle@claybair.com
www.claybair.com
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 3:15 AM, Cheryl Thiruvathukal m
> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am new to Clayart, but I am/was so happy to find it. Right away, I had=
a
> community of potters, from varying levels. I liked that I could learn fr=
om
> the novice to advanced potters. I think it is a great idea, so please ta=
ke
> no offence to what follows. I saw a heading "How The American University
> Was
> Killed" and took a peek. I have also looked at different discussions on
> here, admittedly enjoying the discussions about pottery more than
> political,
> legal, and/or social and economic issues. Many of those topics are "hot"
> ones and usually cause an emotional response and are based on opinion.
>
> I looked at my email today and noticed a comment. I immediately felt for
> the person commenting as it affected her and she had something to say. N=
ot
> knowing what the rules are fully about names, etc., I am going to steer
> away
> from listing names--it is irrelevant. I will explain briefly what was sa=
id
> iniitially that bothered this person and me (for context only).
>
> The main part that bothered me was the implication that allowing adult
> children to be insured until 26 is an example of allowing children to
> remain
> babies instead of treating them like the adults they are. As a dedicated
> mom, I find it judgemental to say that an extension of childhood is a
> negative thing to start with. At 18, it isn't as though, that is it.
> Furthermore, insurance is a very difficult thing to get even if one works=
.
> Not all jobs offer benefits. Healthy people in general as kids or adults
> yield healthier adults and likely more participation in society. If we c=
an
> allow our children to have insurance, help the, and/or they try to help =
or
> even cover the cost, is that so bad? Parents help their kids with
> "education" of all sorts. Medical problems care can take a person out
> financially leading to devastation in the family. Obviously, it is
> affecting society to have uninsured or underinsured people. I couldn't g=
et
> insurance at 18, and I was really sick. I took a job and got good insuran=
ce
> with a lot of abuse (racism/harrassment on the job). I got benefits. Th=
e
> cost was tremendous though personally, and I will leave it out.
>
> This a a complex issue to me and I mean the whole thing. The topic or
> University, insurance, and adult children is intricrate. I hate to see
> people getting hurt on a forum that has so much to offer. I know that th=
is
> discussion has bothered me a bit. I can't help but wonder, shouldn't the=
re
> be some consideration of the feelings of those reading? I know I wrote a
> lot, but I felt someone needed to say something again. I told the person
> that wrote, "I totally agree. This type of rudeness should not even be o=
n.
> Too judgemental. Good reply. Hopefully, it helps. ;-) Take care. Cheryl"=
.
> This represents my feelings now as an artist, mom, and member of society.
>
> Enough said. Even this is my expression of opinion. I hope it is received
> well. To the person helping their child--good job! My father walked away
> when I turned 18 leaving me sick and uninsured.
>
> Kind regards,
> Cheryl
>
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