Paul & Lori Rozman - Lautermilch on tue 2 mar 99
Hello Clayarters,
It saddens me to see some of the old prejudices still lingering on at the =
end of
this century. I am talking about casting or extruding or any other =
technique. It
is a bit like saying that an oil painting is better than a water colour or a
print is not good art because you can repeat making it over and over. Same =
with
photography just because one has a negative and can potentially print a lot =
of
pictures does not make that photograph bad art. In my opinion there isn't =
such
thing as a bad technique only bad art. To dismiss something simply based on =
a
technique employed is depriving oneself from enjoying some very good work =
out
there be historical or contemporary. I suppose that prejudice against =
slip-cast
work comes from the scrape and bake crowd where they do use commercial =
moulds
kind of like colouring books. The craft fairs are just that: craft fairs, =
even
though they are sometimes called shows. I would go to museums to look at =
good
historical art and for contemporaries I could name a few that make art yes =
even
with casting, like Richard Shaw, Kirt Wisser, Richard Notkin just to name a =
few.
Bronze casting is OK but clay casting is Not? Go figure=21
Anyway this is my opinion and I am sticking to it.
Happy Potting,
Paul Rozman
700 Russell Road, RR=23 2
Ladysmith, BC, V0R 2E0
Canada
TL. (250) 245-1055
http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/mtopottery
mtopottery=40bc.sympatico.ca
Paul & Lori Rozman - Lautermilch on tue 2 mar 99
Hello Clayarters,
It saddens me to see some of the old prejudices still lingering on at the =
end of
this century. I am talking about casting or extruding or any other =
technique. It
is a bit like saying that an oil painting is better than a water colour or a
print is not good art because you can repeat making it over and over. Same =
with
photography just because one has a negative and can potentially print a lot =
of
pictures does not make that photograph bad art. In my opinion there isn't =
such
thing as a bad technique only bad art. To dismiss something simply based on =
a
technique employed is depriving oneself from enjoying some very good work =
out
there be historical or contemporary. I suppose that prejudice against =
slip-cast
work comes from the scrape and bake crowd where they do use commercial =
moulds
kind of like colouring books. The craft fairs are just that: craft fairs, =
even
though they are sometimes called shows. I would go to museums to look at =
good
historical art and for contemporaries I could name a few that make art yes =
even
with casting, like Richard Shaw, Kirt Wisser, Richard Notkin just to name a =
few.
Bronze casting is OK but clay casting is Not? Go figure=21
Anyway this is my opinion and I am sticking to it.
Happy Potting,
Paul Rozman
700 Russell Road, RR=23 2
Ladysmith, BC, V0R 2E0
Canada
TL. (250) 245-1055
http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/mtopottery
mtopottery=40bc.sympatico.ca
David Hendley on wed 3 mar 99
Paul, I hate to take issue with you twice in one day, but....
You are leaving out one important element in your discussion
on clay forming techniques: craft.
Sure, slip cast pottery is fine, and it can be legitimate art,
but pouring slip into a mold is not a craft, in the sense
that shaping clay with your hands is.
One can be learned in a day or two, one requires a
lifetime commitment.
So yes, I have a 'prejudice' (I prefer to call it a 'preference')
for hand-made pottery. Hand-made in the literal sense:
human hands have touched every square millimeter of the piece.
I know all about the skill and art involved in creating the
model, making the mold, and the hundreds of other steps,
and I certainly wouldn't dismiss something just because of the
forming technique.
I would, however, be disappointed if I went to a craft show
and most of the work was not hand-made according to my
very literal definition.
It's just that "craft" is very important to me.
By the way, I feel the same way about prints, as opposed to
paintings. On the other hand, I also understand that artists need
to make a living and not everyone can afford to buy expensive art.
Whatever works for you.
You slip casters are welcome to respond, but please don't send me
any hate mail. It's just one potter's considered opinion, afterall.
David Hendley
Maydelle, Texas
hendley@tyler.net
http://www.farmpots.com
At 07:51 AM 3/2/99 EST, you wrote:
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Hello Clayarters,
>It saddens me to see some of the old prejudices still lingering on at the
end of
>this century. I am talking about casting or extruding or any other
technique. It
>is a bit like saying that an oil painting is better than a water colour or a
>print is not good art because you can repeat making it over and over. Same
with
>photography just because one has a negative and can potentially print a
lot of
>pictures does not make that photograph bad art. In my opinion there
isn't such
>thing as a bad technique only bad art. To dismiss something simply based on a
>technique employed is depriving oneself from enjoying some very good work out
>there be historical or contemporary. I suppose that prejudice against
slip-cast
>work comes from the scrape and bake crowd where they do use commercial moulds
>kind of like colouring books. The craft fairs are just that: craft fairs,
even
>though they are sometimes called shows. I would go to museums to look at
good
>historical art and for contemporaries I could name a few that make art yes
even
>with casting, like Richard Shaw, Kirt Wisser, Richard Notkin just to name
a few.
>Bronze casting is OK but clay casting is Not? Go figure!
>
>Anyway this is my opinion and I am sticking to it.
>
>Happy Potting,
>
>Paul Rozman
>700 Russell Road, RR# 2
>Ladysmith, BC, V0R 2E0
>Canada
>TL. (250) 245-1055
>
>http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/mtopottery
>
>mtopottery@bc.sympatico.ca
>
David Hendley
Maydelle, Texas
hendley@tyler.net
http://www.farmpots.com
Bill Williams on wed 3 mar 99
I understand what you are saying, but I also think there is a point you may
have missed. I have a sister-in-law who does beautiful ceramics. She
teaches it and has her own shop. I see nothing at all wrong with what she
does. But I still consider what she does a craft. I consider pottery a
fine art. Not because I am a potter, because I held that belief before I
became a potter, when I also did ceramics. As I have mentioned before, my
husband is a professional artist. He paints, sculpts, carves and etc. Now,
I make my point. He can ( and does) make prints from his paintings. These
prints will be priced much less than the original.....several hundred
dollars less, in fact. It is still the same picture, but yet it is not. He
has also made molds of his sculptures. I can take that mold and make a
piece very similar to the original sculpture, but nothing can change the
fact that I did not do the original sculpture. Not only did I not do the
original, I am not capable of doing it. I believe that it where the
prejudice comes in. You must go back to the point of origin of the art to
find the true artist. What comes after that, is exactly what it is....a
copy. Connie
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul & Lori Rozman - Lautermilch
To: CLAYART@LSV.UKY.EDU
Date: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 6:51 AM
Subject: Looking for art in the wrong places
>----------------------------Original message----------------------------
>Hello Clayarters,
>It saddens me to see some of the old prejudices still lingering on at the
end of
>this century. I am talking about casting or extruding or any other
technique. It
>is a bit like saying that an oil painting is better than a water colour or
a
>print is not good art because you can repeat making it over and over. Same
with
>photography just because one has a negative and can potentially print a lot
of
>pictures does not make that photograph bad art. In my opinion there isn't
such
>thing as a bad technique only bad art. To dismiss something simply based on
a
>technique employed is depriving oneself from enjoying some very good work
out
>there be historical or contemporary. I suppose that prejudice against
slip-cast
>work comes from the scrape and bake crowd where they do use commercial
moulds
>kind of like colouring books. The craft fairs are just that: craft fairs,
even
>though they are sometimes called shows. I would go to museums to look at
good
>historical art and for contemporaries I could name a few that make art yes
even
>with casting, like Richard Shaw, Kirt Wisser, Richard Notkin just to name a
few.
>Bronze casting is OK but clay casting is Not? Go figure!
>
>Anyway this is my opinion and I am sticking to it.
>
>Happy Potting,
>
>Paul Rozman
>700 Russell Road, RR# 2
>Ladysmith, BC, V0R 2E0
>Canada
>TL. (250) 245-1055
>
>http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/mtopottery
>
>mtopottery@bc.sympatico.ca
>
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