mel jacobson on sat 14 oct 00
dear disagree ers.
be our guest.
in fact, i am sure that i do not care what temp you bisque to.:)
you can do whatever you want. as i said in my post, 08 was best
for me, the way i glaze. that is all.
in industry they bisque high temp, glaze low. it works for them.
creative oasis does an 012 bisque, charlie has it working for him.
(firing for many is expensive, very. it is a way to keep costs down
and the children don't mind. and he thins his glazes a bit. works.
if i do not stack well, and tighten things up...cracks. in most cases
it is my own fault. greed. in some cases, if i had used an extra shelf
or two, i would not have had cracking.
bisque temp is a very personal thing. it depends a great deal on
how you glaze. i do a great deal of layering and i just cannot
get enough glaze on my pots at 06, they seem almost vitrified.
05 would never work for me. but, it may be great for others.
i have lived with walker pug mills since the first ones came out.
it is a great machine and of course dangerous. most high powered
tools are. i would not think of sticking my hands in there. never
have. but then, i do not stick my hands into the spinning chain saw blade
or the fan on my tractor.
the reason toasters do not work in the year 2000 is that they
have no heat. we are protecting the idiots of the world from
themselves. i have purchased about 6 toasters in the last few
years. white bland toast half and burned on top. shameful.
my daughter bought a john deere lawn mower (push) that is the
most awful piece of engineering i have ever seen. it does not cut
grass. (but, all the guards and safety stuff works)
yes, the walker is dangerous, but only in the hands of an idiot.
it has a hopper that actually holds clay. the peter pugger at the
art center is a fine machine, but you add about 5 pounds of
clay at a time. i can add 50lbs. to my walker, dump in sand and
grog, add some fire clay and it actually pugs it all up.
remember, the walker is a combination clay mixer and pug....that
is very different than what is out there now.
and, the only concern is that is works for me....not all.
anything that is: one size fits all, works for almost no one.
that is why i buy my jeans at `fleet farm or tractor supply`...my
size is in the middle of the rack. big boys
mel (boy, did that david hendley ever tell me a thing or two. it is
a good thing that he married well.)
FROM MINNETONKA, MINNESOTA, USA
http://www.pclink.com/melpots (website)
lela martens on sat 14 oct 00
Hey Mel, I agree with you. Bisques are a personal thing. Like much of the
whole picture of clay there are infinate variables, tastes, needs, etc. etc.
I for one will try 07 next time. I often do sawdust firing, and it always
worked well if the pots were bisqued to 06. Then an expert told me they
should be bisqued to cone 2 for strength. Not knowing any better, tried it.
Not one pot survived the sawdustfiring. But for usual cone 6 ware will
try bisque o7. Your irritation while refering to toasters, mowers, pug
mills brought a smile to my face. Manufactures are covering themselves
because you Americans are sue crazy. My personal favourite is an episode on
one of your news mag. shows about some fool who successfully sued and won
much $. He was riding his bicycle in the dark on a county road and was hit
by a car, the driver couldn`t see him..His winning premise was the bike
manufacturer should have put a warning on the bike that it may be dangerous
to ride in the dark. He and the dear lady who spilled hot coffee from
Macdonalds on her lap. I do enjoy that it was Macdonalds. Gee, I should
probably be careful, I could get myself in trouble with this subversive
converse. Stay well and enjoy the theatre called American elections. Ours
are just boring now that Trudeau is gone.
small smile, Lela
>Reply-To: Ceramic
Arts Discussion small smile, ,>To:
CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: walker/bisque
>Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 02:55:40 -0500
>
>dear disagree ers.
>
>be our guest.
>in fact, i am sure that i do not care what temp you bisque to.:)
>
>you can do whatever you want. as i said in my post, 08 was best
>for me, the way i glaze. that is all.
>
>in industry they bisque high temp, glaze low. it works for them.
>creative oasis does an 012 bisque, charlie has it working for him.
>(firing for many is expensive, very. it is a way to keep costs down
>and the children don't mind. and he thins his glazes a bit. works.
>
>if i do not stack well, and tighten things up...cracks. in most cases
>it is my own fault. greed. in some cases, if i had used an extra shelf
>or two, i would not have had cracking.
>
>bisque temp is a very personal thing. it depends a great deal on
>how you glaze. i do a great deal of layering and i just cannot
>get enough glaze on my pots at 06, they seem almost vitrified.
>
>05 would never work for me. but, it may be great for others.
>
>i have lived with walker pug mills since the first ones came out.
>it is a great machine and of course dangerous. most high powered
>tools are. i would not think of sticking my hands in there. never
>have. but then, i do not stick my hands into the spinning chain saw blade
>or the fan on my tractor.
>
>the reason toasters do not work in the year 2000 is that they
>have no heat. we are protecting the idiots of the world from
>themselves. i have purchased about 6 toasters in the last few
>years. white bland toast half and burned on top. shameful.
>
>my daughter bought a john deere lawn mower (push) that is the
>most awful piece of engineering i have ever seen. it does not cut
>grass. (but, all the guards and safety stuff works)
>
>yes, the walker is dangerous, but only in the hands of an idiot.
>it has a hopper that actually holds clay. the peter pugger at the
>art center is a fine machine, but you add about 5 pounds of
>clay at a time. i can add 50lbs. to my walker, dump in sand and
>grog, add some fire clay and it actually pugs it all up.
>
>remember, the walker is a combination clay mixer and pug....that
>is very different than what is out there now.
>
>and, the only concern is that is works for me....not all.
>anything that is: one size fits all, works for almost no one.
>
>that is why i buy my jeans at `fleet farm or tractor supply`...my
>size is in the middle of the rack. big boys
>mel (boy, did that david hendley ever tell me a thing or two. it is
>a good thing that he married well.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>FROM MINNETONKA, MINNESOTA, USA
>http://www.pclink.com/melpots (website)
>
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Frederich, Tim on mon 16 oct 00
Mel,
Well said! I said in a previous post that I feel people should
bisque to whatever temperature works for them. In general I believe that a
longer slower bisque is better.... I have had a Walker pug mill for 30
years. It can be dangerous if you are not careful as can any piece of
equipment in the studio. We had a Walker in a school situation and with
training and caution never had a problem.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: mel jacobson [mailto:melpots@PCLINK.COM]
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 3:56 AM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: walker/bisque
dear disagree ers.
be our guest.
in fact, i am sure that i do not care what temp you bisque to.:)
you can do whatever you want. as i said in my post, 08 was best
for me, the way i glaze. that is all.
in industry they bisque high temp, glaze low. it works for them.
creative oasis does an 012 bisque, charlie has it working for him.
(firing for many is expensive, very. it is a way to keep costs down
and the children don't mind. and he thins his glazes a bit. works.
if i do not stack well, and tighten things up...cracks. in most cases
it is my own fault. greed. in some cases, if i had used an extra shelf
or two, i would not have had cracking.
bisque temp is a very personal thing. it depends a great deal on
how you glaze. i do a great deal of layering and i just cannot
get enough glaze on my pots at 06, they seem almost vitrified.
05 would never work for me. but, it may be great for others.
i have lived with walker pug mills since the first ones came out.
it is a great machine and of course dangerous. most high powered
tools are. i would not think of sticking my hands in there. never
have. but then, i do not stick my hands into the spinning chain saw blade
or the fan on my tractor.
the reason toasters do not work in the year 2000 is that they
have no heat. we are protecting the idiots of the world from
themselves. i have purchased about 6 toasters in the last few
years. white bland toast half and burned on top. shameful.
my daughter bought a john deere lawn mower (push) that is the
most awful piece of engineering i have ever seen. it does not cut
grass. (but, all the guards and safety stuff works)
yes, the walker is dangerous, but only in the hands of an idiot.
it has a hopper that actually holds clay. the peter pugger at the
art center is a fine machine, but you add about 5 pounds of
clay at a time. i can add 50lbs. to my walker, dump in sand and
grog, add some fire clay and it actually pugs it all up.
remember, the walker is a combination clay mixer and pug....that
is very different than what is out there now.
and, the only concern is that is works for me....not all.
anything that is: one size fits all, works for almost no one.
that is why i buy my jeans at `fleet farm or tractor supply`...my
size is in the middle of the rack. big boys
mel (boy, did that david hendley ever tell me a thing or two. it is
a good thing that he married well.)
FROM MINNETONKA, MINNESOTA, USA
http://www.pclink.com/melpots (website)
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