Michael A. on wed 20 feb 02
Can bisque be repaired and fired? If so, how?
Thanks!
Raptor
Craig Clark on thu 21 feb 02
Yes, a broken bisque can be repaired. The question is why? In the best
of circustances at the end of the repair job you will still have a broken
piece that has been fixed well.
I would like to add my voice to Dannon's. Make another piece.
Craig Dunn Clark
619 East 11 1/2 st
Houston, Texas 77008
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dannon Rhudy"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: Broken bisque
> At 11:41 PM 2/20/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >Can bisque be repaired and fired? If so, how?
>
> Sometimes it can, but it just is not worth it. Make whatever it
> is over again. You'll learn more, and you'll have a whole piece
> instead of a patched one.
>
> regards
>
> Dannon Rhudy
>
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ADAM JARZEMBOWSKI on thu 21 feb 02
There is a patch you can use
Recipe:
1/3 vinegar
1/3 slip from your clay
1/3 Cairo Syrup
apply patch,let dry,then sand down , re-fire
>From: "Michael A."
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>Subject: Broken bisque
>Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 23:41:22 -0500
>
>Can bisque be repaired and fired? If so, how?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Raptor
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Snail Scott on thu 21 feb 02
At 11:41 PM 2/20/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Can bisque be repaired and fired? If so, how?
The answer, as usual, is, "It depends'.
If the part that's broken sits in place with gravity,
repairs can be effected with one of the many commercial
repair compounds, or with just a dab of glaze. If the
broken bit won't just sit in place, and would fall off
given the opportunity, glazing into place won't work,
though some of the repair compounds might. Follow the
directions on the label. If the broken bit is large
or plays a structural role in the piece, repair may
not be successful. Sculptural works may be repairable
to an adequate degree, while a piece of functional
pottery would be a hazard to the user if the repair
is weak. Work destined for a low-fire glaze firing
can generally be repaired more successfully than work
which will be high-fired, since low-fire work won't
shrink any more than it has in the bisque, but high-
fire work has a lot of stresses ahead of it.
If it will take longer to repair than to make another
one, scrap it and start over.
-Snail
Dannon Rhudy on thu 21 feb 02
At 11:41 PM 2/20/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Can bisque be repaired and fired? If so, how?
Sometimes it can, but it just is not worth it. Make whatever it
is over again. You'll learn more, and you'll have a whole piece
instead of a patched one.
regards
Dannon Rhudy
Judith Frederick on fri 22 feb 02
I have repaired bisque ware with a product called Ceramic Enhancer. You make
a slip with this and the original clay, repair the piece and refire. It
worked fine for me. It also worked well on repairing greenware that was
bone dry. Just incase the piece in not replicatable. Anyway good luck with
it if you try it. I paid about $3 for a 4 oz bottle.
>From: Dannon Rhudy
>Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
>To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
>Subject: Re: Broken bisque
>Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:07:46 -0600
>
>At 11:41 PM 2/20/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >Can bisque be repaired and fired? If so, how?
>
>Sometimes it can, but it just is not worth it. Make whatever it
>is over again. You'll learn more, and you'll have a whole piece
>instead of a patched one.
>
>regards
>
>Dannon Rhudy
>
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Karen Shapiro on fri 22 feb 02
Hi Dannon and all you "potters",
Please remember that we all aren't throwing vessels. I do sculpture, as do many of us, and repairs are a big part of the process. "Just make another one" doesn't fly in my case. I may have spent many days on a piece before doing my last (raku) firing and either lose my shirt or find a way to do excellent repairs. The advice given on the list has been invaluable to me. Please keep it coming!
thanks,
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Craig Clark on fri 22 feb 02
Michael, in the case of a piece that can't be replaced use either the
Ceramic Enhancer that has been suggested or try some sodium silicate as an
adhesive, then glaze, then fire. This is kind of hit and miss. You can also
try glazing and then firing the pieces apart. After the firing just glue
them back together with a decent epoxy. Try using PC-7, it works very well
on ceramics.
Craig Dunn Clark
619 East 11 1/2 st
Houston, Texas 77008
(713)861-2083
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Judith Frederick"
To:
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 1:43 AM
Subject: Re: Broken bisque
> I have repaired bisque ware with a product called Ceramic Enhancer. You
make
> a slip with this and the original clay, repair the piece and refire. It
> worked fine for me. It also worked well on repairing greenware that was
> bone dry. Just incase the piece in not replicatable. Anyway good luck with
> it if you try it. I paid about $3 for a 4 oz bottle.
>
> >From: Dannon Rhudy
> >Reply-To: Ceramic Arts Discussion List
> >To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
> >Subject: Re: Broken bisque
> >Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:07:46 -0600
> >
> >At 11:41 PM 2/20/02 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Can bisque be repaired and fired? If so, how?
> >
> >Sometimes it can, but it just is not worth it. Make whatever it
> >is over again. You'll learn more, and you'll have a whole piece
> >instead of a patched one.
> >
> >regards
> >
> >Dannon Rhudy
> >
>
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Snail Scott on sun 24 feb 02
At 02:15 PM 2/23/02 -0500, you wrote:
>If the breaks are minor, it seems that repairing it if you can and selling
>the piece at a reduced price because of the break, would be
>better than giving up and tossing it to make another.
I often spend weeks on a single piece. I can't afford to
let the occasional crack turn a piece into a 'second'.
Besides, in the fine-art world, there really isn't such a
thing as a 'second' with a conventional discount. Either
it's in great condition, or you don't show it. However,
I don't see how a crack, properly repaired, is a problem.
I often assemble my work from multiple pieces, so why is
an unplanned use of epoxy different from an anticipated
one?
If the finished work _looks_ broken and repaired, or if
its durability for the intended purpose is impaired,
then there's no way to sell that piece, period. I might
trade it to a friend, but could never show it for sale.
If the 'fix' makes no difference in the quality of the
piece, though, I would have no hesitation at offering
such a piece to a buyer at full price.
-Snail
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