Brandon Phillips on sat 23 mar 02
Hey ya'll, one of my buddies here in abilene is looking for a black clay
body for cone 10 reduction and/or salt. I've heard in the past that its not
possible due to too many oxides, fluxing the body. I may just be crazy.
Can anyone tell me if this is possible, and maybe have an idea for a
formula? Any help would be much appreciated!
Brandon Phillips
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Ilene Mahler on sun 24 mar 02
I believe that Aardvark has such a claybody the I have use in Tom Colemans
workshop...Ilene in Conn
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From: Brandon Phillips
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Subject: Looking for Black Clay Body
> Hey ya'll, one of my buddies here in abilene is looking for a black clay
> body for cone 10 reduction and/or salt. I've heard in the past that its
not
> possible due to too many oxides, fluxing the body. I may just be crazy.
> Can anyone tell me if this is possible, and maybe have an idea for a
> formula? Any help would be much appreciated!
>
> Brandon Phillips
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m markey on sun 24 mar 02
Hi Brandon!
I know of one commercially-made clay, from IMCO, called Black Mountain. This
clay needs no glaze--when reduced at C10, the wares shine, with a dull
lustre. The clay itself is a deep saturated brown, that fires nearly black,
at C10.
Because the clay is rich in minerals, it's advisable to fire slowly--this
clay has a tendancy to bloat.
Black Mountain is a fairly costly clay--usually about $3-5 higher than most
other clays.
Best wishes!
Mohabee NakedClay@hotmail.com
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Megan Ratchford on sun 24 mar 02
This may be a bit out of your way, but....Laguna has a cone ten stoneware
called Dark Brown. I use it in reduction and salt. BEAUTIFUL body. Throws
like a dream, never a crack in plates. I love it. One problem, a biggie.
The color of the clay is from Manganese Diox. At least I'm betting that it
is since the body slightly fluxes and goes a bit shiny all on its own in the
reduction kiln. I have emailed Laguna to see what the ballpark range of
Manganese is in there, but no answer. Just don't fall in love with it and
throw it day in and day out several tons a year for life. I don't know.
Anyone have an opinion on this?
Megan
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 10:46 PM
Subject: Looking for Black Clay Body
> Hey ya'll, one of my buddies here in abilene is looking for a black clay
> body for cone 10 reduction and/or salt. I've heard in the past that its
not
> possible due to too many oxides, fluxing the body. I may just be crazy.
> Can anyone tell me if this is possible, and maybe have an idea for a
> formula? Any help would be much appreciated!
>
> Brandon Phillips
>
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Wanda Holmes on sun 24 mar 02
Aardvark's has a black claybody called Cassius Basaltic. It is a cone 4
body and I have tested it (results available to anyone who wants them). It
gets touchy at cone 5. It is beautiful. They may have a cone 10 black
body, but I'm unaware of it. Wanda
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Subject: Re: Looking for Black Clay Body
I believe that Aardvark has such a claybody the I have use in Tom Colemans
workshop...Ilene in Conn
----- Original Message -----
From: Brandon Phillips
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 12:46 AM
Subject: Looking for Black Clay Body
> Hey ya'll, one of my buddies here in abilene is looking for a black clay
> body for cone 10 reduction and/or salt. I've heard in the past that its
not
> possible due to too many oxides, fluxing the body. I may just be crazy.
> Can anyone tell me if this is possible, and maybe have an idea for a
> formula? Any help would be much appreciated!
>
> Brandon Phillips
>
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Ron Collins on sun 24 mar 02
I read in a catalog that the black, basalt clay body you are talking about
needs to be fired a few cones lower. I made a black basalt/porcelain body,
fired it to the maturation temp of the porcelain recipe that I concocted,
and it melted down and was a mess. Believe them when they say go down a few
cones....I now fire the porcelain to cone 6, and the basalt body to cone
3-4. It is underfired at cone 2. IIt also is very heavy......one pound of
it is just about 2/3 as big as regular porcelain. If your friend does not
own the kiln or have control over the firing, why not just use slip? It
takes a lot of testing, and if you dont control the kiln, then I don't see
how you can test enough to get it right. Ron Roy-in last months CM in the
questions column discusses this type of body, and doesn't seem particularly
fond of it, but I'm really pleased with what I get. I screen my basalt
thro 100 mesh, and so the body is very fine mesh, it still has an earthy
look and a nice sheen that plain colored porcelain doesn't. I usually use
my reclaimed clay to mix with the basalt. With less basalt, it makes a
purple....I'm pretty sure due to the manganese content, but I really don't
know what it is, mineral/chemical wise. I don't use it enough to be very
concerned about the safety issue, but you should. One last thought....why
not order 25 lbs. of the premade basaltic body and use it as a slip....it
should give a nice sheen, I would try that also. This type of clay is
funny (different) to throw, but won't stick together well for
handbuilding-try spooze, might work, I haven't tried that...I just throw it
and absorb the manganese, I guess, but not often. Want to make some sushi
plates from it, ought to handle just being a plain slab.......
MelindaCollins, Antigua, Guatemala
lisa elvington on sun 24 mar 02
Hi,
I just found some black at www.sheffield-pottery.com
Lisa in S.C.
Ilene Mahler wrote: I believe that Aardvark has such a claybody the I have use in Tom Colemans
workshop...Ilene in Conn
----- Original Message -----
From: Brandon Phillips
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 12:46 AM
Subject: Looking for Black Clay Body
> Hey ya'll, one of my buddies here in abilene is looking for a black clay
> body for cone 10 reduction and/or salt. I've heard in the past that its
not
> possible due to too many oxides, fluxing the body. I may just be crazy.
> Can anyone tell me if this is possible, and maybe have an idea for a
> formula? Any help would be much appreciated!
>
> Brandon Phillips
>
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A. Rasmussen on tue 26 mar 02
I think it's Aardvark that has a cone 10 clay that
goes dark in reduction, also Laguna has one called B-3
that goes to a beautiful black in cone 5 oxidation.
Both very groggy but fun to throw. Perhaps someone
else can answer this: I heard that clays of this type
contain manganese to get their dark color and thus
great care should be taken if you trim too dry. Is
this so?
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Wanda Holmes on tue 26 mar 02
I don't know about the Cone 10 Aardvark claybody, but their cone 4 black
clay, Cassius Basaltic, does contain manganese. Wanda
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Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 2:23 PM
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Subject: Re: looking for black clay body
I think it's Aardvark that has a cone 10 clay that
goes dark in reduction, also Laguna has one called B-3
that goes to a beautiful black in cone 5 oxidation.
Both very groggy but fun to throw. Perhaps someone
else can answer this: I heard that clays of this type
contain manganese to get their dark color and thus
great care should be taken if you trim too dry. Is
this so?
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Michele Williams on wed 27 mar 02
I spoke to Lee at Miami Clay. They have black clay bodies. Call him at
(305) 651-4695 or (305) 266-6024. I don't know what kind they are or how
they fire, but Lee knows, I'm sure.
Michele Williams
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