Craig Dunn Clark on sun 8 feb 04
Kathy, funny that you should ask. To make a long and cumberson
story.......I am working on a two to three year project which will culminate
in a large outdoor piece that will deal with life cycles. I will be using
abstacted elements of the human form to express part of what I am trying to
say.
In the past these pieces have all been completely non-objective. Haven't
been able to get enough folks to unnerstand what I'm trying to say so I'm
introducing a figurative element into the equation. I'll be doing castings
of various sorts of upwards of 150 people before I am finished. I am casting
everything from faces (I'll be using about 100 or so for the witnesses that
will line the inner edge of the collonade surrounding the piece) to backs,
butts, feet, legs, etc....
I will be using upwards of 10 tons of mud for the piece before all is
said and done. The firing costs alone are gonna kick my butt. SO, I've had
to come up with a way to fund my sculpture habit. What I discovered after
surfing around the net was that there is a whole industry devoted to life
casting.
I had a bit of a learning curve to go through when I started since I had
not done any life casting in fifteen years. I started casting butts with the
intention of making "bottom pots." I discovered that folks are willing to
pay for a straight casting of their behind. A slab drapped into the plaster
mold and then raku fired fits the bill.
Now I'm getting to your problem specifically. Initially, one of my
clients asked if I would be able to cast her with one of her husbands
favorite thongs on. I told her we could give it a shot. Used a whole bunch
of vaseline on the wide band of the thong and was able to pull the plaster
without too much trouble. The casting turned out great! Used resist on the
undies section (nice black burn in) contrasted with a standard white crackle
on the rest of the piece with a deckled edge that is also smoked black .
After that I ended up doing a casting of an old friend in a regular pair
of standard underpants, used lots of vaseline, and they too pulled from the
plaster. So what you could do is to have yourself cast in the underpants.
Use either clay or plasticine to raise in relief the signatures. You might
try thin coils that are just layed over the signature outlines while you are
lying there or do it before putting them on with an adhesive to keep the
relief material in place. Nice cord would work as well. Just put a bit of
clay up under the edges if undercuts are a problem. All you will need is
someone who is relatively adept at the application of plaster, a bag of
pottery plaster and some practice.
Contact me if you have any questions
I'll try and get some jpegs of the castings with the underware together so
you can see them
Craig Dunn Clark
619 East 11 1/2 st
Houston, Texas 77008
(713)861-2083
mudman@hal-pc.org
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From: "Kathy McDonald"
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 7:35 AM
Subject: Techical advice,, panties and tradition :Mel I'm serious :)
> i have pondered posting this question to
> the list a couple of times but refrained
> from doing so because I thought it was superflous.
>
> There is a story to tell here........
> Some years ago I went to an NCECA conference...
>
> yep thats kinda like once upon a time....
>
> Voulkos and Solder were there signing T shirts..
> you had to buy the shirts..
>
> The t shirts were something like 12 bucks US..
> II.m a Canadian and at the time the exchange rate
> was something like 60%. Do the math it was pretty
> pricy.
>
> My pottery buddy Mishy Lowe
> was with me and kindly offered to lend me the money...but
> i remembered I had put a pair of clean panties in my backpack
> (Please don't ask me why.......) We figured these would do nicely.
>
> I asked the artists if they would be so kind as to put their signatures
> on the panties...(nice white ones,,,so the orange ink shows up..)
> I now have a pair of panties with a Paul Soldner signature on the front
> and Peter Volkous signature on the back. I'm not kidding (nor did
> I even give any consideration to who signed which side.)???
>
>
> so........................heres where the tech advice comes in....
> hhere's where I am seeking .......the ink is fading a bit....
> I've considered a lot of ways to make this article of clothing
> a kind of interesting art piece,,,,,ie: make a platter and epoxy them onto
> it...etc etc,,,,
> any ideas how to preserve the ink.....???......Any creative ideas on
exactly
> what kind
> I vessel or piece might be the best to incorporate these panties and
> preserve them.
>
> At the time it was a lark and fun....now I'm actually seriously seeking
some
> help
> I have creative block,,,,
>
> Kathy
>
>
> t
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Kathy McDonald on sun 8 feb 04
i have pondered posting this question to
the list a couple of times but refrained
from doing so because I thought it was superflous.
There is a story to tell here........
Some years ago I went to an NCECA conference...
yep thats kinda like once upon a time....
Voulkos and Solder were there signing T shirts..
you had to buy the shirts..
The t shirts were something like 12 bucks US..
II.m a Canadian and at the time the exchange rate
was something like 60%. Do the math it was pretty
pricy.
My pottery buddy Mishy Lowe
was with me and kindly offered to lend me the money...but
i remembered I had put a pair of clean panties in my backpack
(Please don't ask me why.......) We figured these would do nicely.
I asked the artists if they would be so kind as to put their signatures
on the panties...(nice white ones,,,so the orange ink shows up..)
I now have a pair of panties with a Paul Soldner signature on the front
and Peter Volkous signature on the back. I'm not kidding (nor did
I even give any consideration to who signed which side.)???
so........................heres where the tech advice comes in....
hhere's where I am seeking .......the ink is fading a bit....
I've considered a lot of ways to make this article of clothing
a kind of interesting art piece,,,,,ie: make a platter and epoxy them onto
it...etc etc,,,,
any ideas how to preserve the ink.....???......Any creative ideas on exactly
what kind
I vessel or piece might be the best to incorporate these panties and
preserve them.
At the time it was a lark and fun....now I'm actually seriously seeking some
help
I have creative block,,,,
Kathy
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Kathy McDonald on mon 9 feb 04
Well Craig...
If I were the same shape and size as when those panties were signed
I would do it........a bit of time, gravity and cheesecake would now
make that quite difficult.....I think if I tried really hard I
might be able to squeeze one thigh into those panties.........
Had a lot of fun with that concept many years ago
when 2 of my girlfriends and I were pregnant...we made "pregnant body
casts"..
the things were awesum,,,,,rakued...had a show ...all sold...now we
would sell our grandchildren (not on your life!) to get them back.
I will contact you off list to see your "undie jpgs" (wink)
Seriously,and all kidding aside,that sounds like a really
wonderful project....Who was the artist that made all the
castings of different male famous penises,,,Jimi Hendrix's was one...
She made a decent living if I remember correctly...
Kathy......who is now hunting for a 120 pound replica of myself....
-----Original Message-----
From: Clayart [mailto:CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG]On Behalf Of Craig Dunn
Clark
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 9:03 PM
To: CLAYART@LSV.CERAMICS.ORG
Subject: Re: Techical advice,, panties and tradition :Mel I'm serious :)
Kathy, funny that you should ask. To make a long and cumberson
story.......I am working on a two to three year project which will culminate
in a large outdoor piece that will deal with life cycles. I will be using
abstacted elements of the human form to express part of what I am trying to
say.
In the past these pieces have all been completely non-objective. Haven't
been able to get enough folks to unnerstand what I'm trying to say so I'm
introducing a figurative element into the equation. I'll be doing castings
of various sorts of upwards of 150 people before I am finished. I am casting
everything from faces (I'll be using about 100 or so for the witnesses that
will line the inner edge of the collonade surrounding the piece) to backs,
butts, feet, legs, etc....
I will be using upwards of 10 tons of mud for the piece before all is
said and done. The firing costs alone are gonna kick my butt. SO, I've had
to come up with a way to fund my sculpture habit. What I discovered after
surfing around the net was that there is a whole industry devoted to life
casting.
I had a bit of a learning curve to go through when I started since I had
not done any life casting in fifteen years. I started casting butts with the
intention of making "bottom pots." I discovered that folks are willing to
pay for a straight casting of their behind. A slab drapped into the plaster
mold and then raku fired fits the bill.
Now I'm getting to your problem specifically. Initially, one of my
clients asked if I would be able to cast her with one of her husbands
favorite thongs on. I told her we could give it a shot. Used a whole bunch
of vaseline on the wide band of the thong and was able to pull the plaster
without too much trouble. The casting turned out great! Used resist on the
undies section (nice black burn in) contrasted with a standard white crackle
on the rest of the piece with a deckled edge that is also smoked black .
After that I ended up doing a casting of an old friend in a regular pair
of standard underpants, used lots of vaseline, and they too pulled from the
plaster. So what you could do is to have yourself cast in the underpants.
Use either clay or plasticine to raise in relief the signatures. You might
try thin coils that are just layed over the signature outlines while you are
lying there or do it before putting them on with an adhesive to keep the
relief material in place. Nice cord would work as well. Just put a bit of
clay up under the edges if undercuts are a problem. All you will need is
someone who is relatively adept at the application of plaster, a bag of
pottery plaster and some practice.
Contact me if you have any questions
I'll try and get some jpegs of the castings with the underware together so
you can see them
Craig Dunn Clark
619 East 11 1/2 st
Houston, Texas 77008
(713)861-2083
mudman@hal-pc.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kathy McDonald"
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 7:35 AM
Subject: Techical advice,, panties and tradition :Mel I'm serious :)
> i have pondered posting this question to
> the list a couple of times but refrained
> from doing so because I thought it was superflous.
>
> There is a story to tell here........
> Some years ago I went to an NCECA conference...
>
> yep thats kinda like once upon a time....
>
> Voulkos and Solder were there signing T shirts..
> you had to buy the shirts..
>
> The t shirts were something like 12 bucks US..
> II.m a Canadian and at the time the exchange rate
> was something like 60%. Do the math it was pretty
> pricy.
>
> My pottery buddy Mishy Lowe
> was with me and kindly offered to lend me the money...but
> i remembered I had put a pair of clean panties in my backpack
> (Please don't ask me why.......) We figured these would do nicely.
>
> I asked the artists if they would be so kind as to put their signatures
> on the panties...(nice white ones,,,so the orange ink shows up..)
> I now have a pair of panties with a Paul Soldner signature on the front
> and Peter Volkous signature on the back. I'm not kidding (nor did
> I even give any consideration to who signed which side.)???
>
>
> so........................heres where the tech advice comes in....
> hhere's where I am seeking .......the ink is fading a bit....
> I've considered a lot of ways to make this article of clothing
> a kind of interesting art piece,,,,,ie: make a platter and epoxy them onto
> it...etc etc,,,,
> any ideas how to preserve the ink.....???......Any creative ideas on
exactly
> what kind
> I vessel or piece might be the best to incorporate these panties and
> preserve them.
>
> At the time it was a lark and fun....now I'm actually seriously seeking
some
> help
> I have creative block,,,,
>
> Kathy
>
>
> t
>
>
>
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