Wes Rolley on wed 25 may 05
With a list as diverse as CLAYART, you can find just about anything you a=
re looking for.
If you are looking for entertainment along with advice, salted with a lit=
tle spicy humor, just read a Tony Clennell post.=20
If you are looking for advice on any particular problem, try it out on th=
e list. The worst that happens is that you might get ignored...actually, =
that is probably the second worst thing. You might also be told to searc=
h the archives without any idea of how to do that.=20
If you are looking for a good fight, you can generally start one by trash=
ing something that Vince loves.=20
If you are looking for signs of a "glaze orthodoxy" you cand find that to=
o.
I even found signs of an anti-intellectual bias in all of the negative co=
mments on art critics.
For some reason, people seem to find what they look for. So far, the onl=
y thing that I have not found from Clayart is an empty mailbox...unless A=
CERS is down for some reason and then everyone panics.=20
--=20
"I find I have a great lot to learn =E2=80=93 or unlearn. I seem to know =
far too much and this knowledge obscures the really significant facts, bu=
t I am getting on." -- Charles Rennie Mackintosh
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024
http://www.refpub.com/
Vince Pitelka on wed 25 may 05
Wes Rolley said:
"If you are looking for a good fight, you can generally start one by
trashing something that Vince loves."
Wes -
There was lots of humor in your post, and I enjoyed your perceptive and
insightful take on Clayart, but your use of the term "fight" above was
entirely inappropriate and unecessary. It simply does not enter into my
motive for participating in Clayart, or my great enjoyment and appreciation
of this list. I hate to sound defensive, but when I read something like the
above directed at me personally it just makes me sick.
- Vince
Vince Pitelka
Appalachian Center for Craft, Tennessee Technological University
Smithville TN 37166, 615/597-6801 x111
vpitelka@dtccom.net, wpitelka@tntech.edu
http://iweb.tntech.edu/wpitelka/
http://www.tntech.edu/craftcenter/
Fredrick Paget on thu 26 may 05
We are lucky here on ClayArt to have moderators to keep us in line. I
also subscribe to an Orchid Mailing list out of Belgium that has an
international membership and is conducted in English. It is
unmoderated, If you get too far out of line the list owner will ban
you but meanwhile the big egos are at each others throats all the
time. It has gotten to the point where the postings are mostly done
by about a half dozen gurus and sparks fly all the time. Us lurkers
are not as knowledgeable as they are and stay pretty clear of the
fray.
--
From Fred &Nan Paget, Marin County,
California, USA
fredrick@well.com
Taylor from Rockport on thu 26 may 05
Looks like Wes is feeling a little colicky these days.
Hey Vince no need for you to get all abdominally obstructed. Just picture
Wes delivering his posting in a jovial tone, sitting in an easy chair,
wearing a Mr. Rogers sweater. Anyway, nobody has threatened to cut off
your pony tail, have they?
As far as people spoiling for a fight, those people are thankfully
shortlived on this list. Sure some people have very strong oppinions and
I've seen what I would characterize as fights here, but that
usually blows over and cooler heads prevail.
I find mostly help on this list and always a sounding board for clay
ideas. I have met and developed relationships with some very talented
potters because of this list and now enjoy both thier compradeship and
their pottery. This list is well worth the occasional difficulty...
....for now. :)
Taylor, in Rockport TX
On Wed, 25 May 2005 18:33:08 -0500, Vince Pitelka
wrote:
...
I hate to sound defensive, but when I read something like the
>above directed at me personally it just makes me sick.
...
Wes Rolley on thu 26 may 05
Ah, Vince, you prove my point, people find what they are looking for.
In the US, we had a president that once stated that something "depends on=
what your definition of 'is' is." I suggest that it all depends on what=
your definition of what "a good fight" is.=20
--=20
"I find I have a great lot to learn =96 or unlearn. I seem to know far to=
o much and this knowledge obscures the really significant facts, but I am=
getting on." -- Charles Rennie Mackintosh
Wesley C. Rolley
17211 Quail Court
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
(408)778-3024
http://www.refpub.com/
Earl Brunner on fri 27 may 05
We have the standards up front here too. Mel posts that stuff periodically. FYI, I delete very few actual clayart authentic posts. I do delete easily 100-200 viruses, spam and other crud. I have been scanning more messages for content lately just because so many people were moaning about the tone of the discussions, instead of using their delete keys. But that's OK, I don't mind. I have started to be a little more picky. I am cognizant of the fact that it is a lot of mail for everyone to deal with on a daily basis. If a message comes through, which is really valueless for the list as a whole, and is directed to a specific individual, it should go to the individual. so do everyone a favor and send it to the individual.
Kate Johnson wrote:
Hi Fred and Nan!
Yes, if you have an unmoderated list (I run one of 2000 people) you have to
have an understanding up front what the standards of behavior are.
Personally, I don't care for a moderated list, because it's a LOT of work
for the moderators, both behind the scenes and on the list, and because I'm
a grownup. I don't need someone to decide for me whether what I've said
should be posted. I like to treat others the same way and with the same
respect. (And did I say it's a lot less work for me that way?)
That said, on my list(s) they DO know that civility is the primary rule--the
rules go out to every new member. If necessary, I post gentle reminders,
both on and offlist, if things begin to get out of hand. We're free to
disagree and even have some rather warm discussions, but we don't get
personal. I don't ban them, but I do let them have a couple of weeks to
cool off if they can't abide by that standard.
Perhaps it's six of one and half-dozen of the other, but I only have to deal
with dreck with someone can't control themselves, not hundreds of times a
day.
Best--
Kate Johnson
Owner, Revlist
FortOsage
MiddleWatersGroup
(and several other small ones)
Advisory board
18cWoman
1812Civilian
graphicart@epsi.net
http://www.cathyjohnson.info/
Art, History, Nature and More at Cathy Johnson's Cafepress--
http://www.cafepress.com/cathy_johnson/
Graphics/Fine Arts Press--
http://www.epsi.net/graphic/
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Kate Johnson on fri 27 may 05
> We are lucky here on ClayArt to have moderators to keep us in line. I
> also subscribe to an Orchid Mailing list out of Belgium that has an
> international membership and is conducted in English. It is
> unmoderated, If you get too far out of line the list owner will ban
> you but meanwhile the big egos are at each others throats all the
> time. It has gotten to the point where the postings are mostly done
> by about a half dozen gurus and sparks fly all the time. Us lurkers
> are not as knowledgeable as they are and stay pretty clear of the
> fray.
Hi Fred and Nan!
Yes, if you have an unmoderated list (I run one of 2000 people) you have to
have an understanding up front what the standards of behavior are.
Personally, I don't care for a moderated list, because it's a LOT of work
for the moderators, both behind the scenes and on the list, and because I'm
a grownup. I don't need someone to decide for me whether what I've said
should be posted. I like to treat others the same way and with the same
respect. (And did I say it's a lot less work for me that way?)
That said, on my list(s) they DO know that civility is the primary rule--the
rules go out to every new member. If necessary, I post gentle reminders,
both on and offlist, if things begin to get out of hand. We're free to
disagree and even have some rather warm discussions, but we don't get
personal. I don't ban them, but I do let them have a couple of weeks to
cool off if they can't abide by that standard.
Perhaps it's six of one and half-dozen of the other, but I only have to deal
with dreck with someone can't control themselves, not hundreds of times a
day.
Best--
Kate Johnson
Owner, Revlist
FortOsage
MiddleWatersGroup
(and several other small ones)
Advisory board
18cWoman
1812Civilian
graphicart@epsi.net
http://www.cathyjohnson.info/
Art, History, Nature and More at Cathy Johnson's Cafepress--
http://www.cafepress.com/cathy_johnson/
Graphics/Fine Arts Press--
http://www.epsi.net/graphic/
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